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 Post subject: 100 Greatest Alternative Artists *NEW REVISION 11/2/2013*
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100 Greatest Alternative Artists
NEW REVISION: November 2, 2013
Edited by: Piper

Criteria: Artists are ranked by their influence, impact, and popularity. List includes alternative rock, post-punk and new wave artists, as well as artists in the various alternative rock subgenres (including - but not limited to - indie rock, Britpop, grunge, shoegazing, post rock, emo, alternative dance, goth rock and dream pop).

Bold denotes artist newly added to the November 2013 revision.

1. R.E.M.
2. Nirvana
3. Talking Heads
4. The Smiths
5. Radiohead
6. Sonic Youth
7. Joy Division
8. U2
9. Pixies
10. Elvis Costello & the Attractions
11. The Cure
12. Pearl Jam
13. Hüsker Dü
14. Red Hot Chili Peppers
15. The Replacement
16. New Order
17. Nine Inch Nails
18. The Smashing Pumpkins
19. Soundgarden
20. Depeche Mode
21. Fugazi
22. Pavement
23. Beck
24. The Flaming Lips
25. Kate Bush
26. Dinosaur Jr.
27. The Jesus and Mary Chain
28. Wire
29. Siouxsie and the Banshees
30. My Bloody Valentine
31. Green Day
32. Oasis
33. XTC
34. Echo and the Bunnymen
35. Blur
36. Bauhaus
37. Public Image Ltd.
38. Bjork
39. Alice in Chains
40. Jane's Addiction
41. Weezer
42. Pulp
43. Foo Fighters
44. Mudhoney
45. Violent Femmes
46. Guided by Voices
47. The White Stripes
48. Gang of Four
49. Morrissey
50. Yo La Tengo
51. Minutemen
52. The Meat Puppets
53. The Jam
54. Suede
55. The Fall
56. Cocteau Twins
57. Nick Cave the Bad Seeds
58. They Might Be Giants
59. Squeeze
60. Liz Phair
61. Belle and Sebastian
62. Elliott Smith
63. Wilco
64. Sleater-Kinney
65. Tori Amos
66. Primal Scream
67. No Doubt
68. Beat Happening
69. Mission of Burma
70. Stone Temple Pilots
71. Coldplay
72. Modest Mouse
73. Manic Street Preachers
74. The Stone Roses
75. The Go-Betweens
76. Camper van Beethoven
77. 10,000 Maniacs
78. Jeff Buckley
79. Stereolab
80. Love and Rockets
81. Midnight Oil
82. Throwing Muses
83. The Specials
84. Sebadoh
85. The Cranberries
86. Galaxie 500
87. Let's Active
88. The Soft Boys
89. The dB's
90. Arcade Fire
91. Faith No More
92. The Psychedelic Furs
93. PJ Harvey
94. Madness
95. Superchunk
96. Redd Kross
97. This Mortal Coil
98. Talk Talk
99. Morphine
100. Muse

101. The Feelies
102. Built to Spill
103. Godspeed You! Black Emperor
104. The Pogues
105. The Church
106. Fiona Apple
107. The Jesus Lizard
108. Neutral Milk Hotel
109. Sunny Day Real Estate
110. The Birthday Party
111. The Happy Mondays
112. Swans
113. Robyn Hitchcock
114. The Dismemberment Plan
115. Mother Love Bone
116. Red House Painters
117. Mogwai
118. The Strokes
119. The Sugarcubes
120. fIREHOSE
121. Super Furry Animals
122. Lush
123. The Screaming Trees
124. The Killers
125. The Mekons
126. The Chameleons
127. Big Black
128. Ride
129. Low
130. The Housemartins
131. Sigur Rós
132. The Wedding Present
133. Slint
134. Butthole Surfers
135. Killing Joke
136. Placebo
137. Arctic Monkeys
138. James Chance and the Contortions
139. Afghan Whigs
140. Spiritualized
141. Spoon
142. The Magnetic Fields
143. The Verve
144. The Charlatans
145. Magazine
146. Catherine Wheel
147. Gorillaz
148. Broken Social Scene
149. Franz Ferdinand
150. TV on the Radio
151. Sisters of Mercy
152. Television Personalities
153. Young Marble Giants
154. Jimmy Eat World
155. The The
156. Eels
157. Gene Loves Jezebel
158. Pylon
159. The Decemberists
160. Royal Trux
161. The Alarm
162. Half Man Half Biscuit
163. Tortoise
164. The Dream Syndicate
165. Fall Out Boy
166. Orange Juice
167. The Blue Nile
168. Soul Asylum
169. The Libertines
170. Daniel Johnston
171. of Montreal
172. ...And You Will Know Us by the Trail of Dead
173. The Lemonheads
174. The Breeders
175. Green River
176. Prefab Sprout
177. Slowdive
178. The Beautiful South
179. World Party
180. The Pop Group
181. Ween
182. Kings of Leon
183. The Sundays
184. Broadcast
185. Juliana Hatfield
186. Jawbox
187. Will Oldham (Bonny 'Prince' Billy/Palace)
188. Sinéad O'Connor
189. Catatonia
190. Blind Melon
191. The New Pornographers
192. Olivia Tremor Control
193. At the Drive-In
194. Death Cab for Cutie
195. The Black Keys
196. Cap'n Jazz
197. Yeah Yeah Yeahs
198. Mercury Rev
199. Buffalo Tom
200. Miracle Legion

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100 Greatest Influences on Alternative Music
Criteria: Includes which perform non-alternative genres (including some artists which pre-date the genre) which have had a noticeable and long-lasting influence on alternative rock music. Includes pre-alternative, 1970's punk, 1960's garage rock, protopunk, psychedelic rock, experimental music, alternative hip-hop, trip-hop and electronica artists. Artists are ranked by influence on alternative music, critical acclaim from alternative music publications and popularity within the alternative music culture and community. The list includes artists that predate the alternative music, as well as artists that are contemporaneous with the genre.

1. David Bowie
2. Velvet Underground
3. The Stooges
4. MC5
5. Patti Smith
6. Frank Zappa
7. Brian Eno
8. Scott Walker
9. Tom Waits
10. Ramones
11. The Sex Pistols
12. The Clash
13. Lou Reed
14. Iggy Pop
15. Television
16. Roxy Music
17. Jonathan Richman and the Modern Lovers
18. Pere Ubu
19. Blondie
20. The Sonics
21. New York Dolls
22. Big Star
23. Suicide
24. Can
25. Leonard Cohen
26. Kraftwerk
27. Captain Beefheart
28. Sparks
29. Love
30. Warren Zevon
31. Richard and Linda Thompson/Richard Thompson (solo)
32. Nick Drake
33. Glenn Branca
34. The Stranglers
35. Syd Barrett
36. Throbbing Gristle
37. Cheap Trick
38. Devo
39. Silver Apples
40. Black Flag
41. Buzzcocks
42. Beastie Boys
43. Dead Kennedys
44. The 13th Floor Elevators
45. Robert Wyatt
46. Nick Lowe
47. Portishead
48. This Heat
49. Sparks
50. T. Rex
51. Richard Hell and the Voidoids
52. The Residents
53. The Seeds
54. Swell Maps
55. Cabaret Voltaire
56. The Damned
57. Todd Rundgren
58. Massive Attack
59. John Cale
60. The Red Crayola/Red Krayola
61. X
62. NRBQ
63. Stiff Little Fingers
64. The Undertones
65. Dr. Feelgood
66. Radio Birdman
67. The Slits
68. Hawkwind
69. The Cramps
70. Bad Brains
71. John Cooper Clarke
72. Graham Parker
73. Henry Cow
74. The Adverts
75. Brinsley Schwarz
76. John Cage
77. Herbie Hancock
78. The Prodigy
79. Laurie Anderson
80. Moby Grape
81. Squarepusher
82. Public Enemy
83. The Selecter
84. Negativland
85. Fatboy Slim
86. Tricky
87. De La Soul
88. Billy Bragg
89. Kirsty MacColl
90. DJ Shadow
91. The KLF
92. Faithless
93. Vic Chesnutt
94. The Pharcyde
95. The Art of Noise
96. Boards of Canada
97. Victoria Williams
98. Amy Winehouse
99. The Chemical Brothers
100. The Avalanches


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 Post subject: Re: 100 Greatest Alternative Artists
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Les Rallizes Denudes need to be on there somewhere in the top 100 I'd think. 150 at least. Predated a lot of music and did for Japan more than any other band until Boredoms. I can find vids if people want proof, but their influence is obvious if you just go to Youtube for 5 seconds and watch any of their videos.


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 Post subject: Re: 100 Greatest Alternative Artists
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mizutani ftw


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 Post subject: Re: 100 Greatest Alternative Artists
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Slint, The Arcade Fire and Neutral Milk Hotel look far, far too low for me.

How are all those behind Coldplay, Mogwai, The Go-Betweeners, The White Stripes, The Church and Tortoise to name a few?


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 Post subject: Re: 100 Greatest Alternative Artists
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Yeah, seriously, for having a No. 1 album, Arcade Fire are not high enough.


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 Post subject: Re: 100 Greatest Alternative Artists
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To play the devil's advocate, Coldplay have massive popularity that those indie artists could never dream of touching, Mogwai were one of the first tr00 post-rock bands so they were crazy influential and even brought popularity to the genre before bands like Sigur Ros, The Go-Betweens again just have massive influence on their side, The White Stripes have popularity and acclaim unlike few modern bands today, The Church and Tortoise were mainly just incredibly influential.


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 Post subject: Re: 100 Greatest Alternative Artists
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Surely, we should be judging on Popularity amongst Alt. music fans rather than record sales though in regards to Popularity? Does basing it on record sales not kind of defeat the point of it being Alternative music?

Coldplay and The White Stripes are a greater artists than NMH, Slint or The Arcade Fire, but absolutely no way are they a greater Alternative artists.

Yes, Mogwai were one of the first post-rock bands, but Slint were the first. Slint are far more influential than Mogwai.

Yeah, the Church and Tortoise were influential, but not to the same extent as the three artist mentioned, neither do they have anywhere near the popularity amongst Alt music fans.


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 Post subject: Re: 100 Greatest Alternative Artists
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Yeah but it's a greatest list, so I assume the criteria is popularity and impact, something that all of those bands have a lot of one way or the other. And Slint, Arcade Fire and NMH really have one influential album to their name when these bands have discographies worth (Coldplay's debatable, and I don't really care where they end up). I'm just saying it's all justified.


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 Post subject: Re: 100 Greatest Alternative Artists
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But it's a greatest Alternative Artists list not a list of Greatest Artists who could be labelled as Alternative. So surely we should be trying to be basing it on Alternative music alone, so using record sales doesn't really make sense. Popularity should be based on Popularity from Alt. fans only, surely?


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If that's the route you wanna take, then most of the bands there would be off the list, which I'm cool with, but you'd basically have to rework the whole thing it seems like.


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 Post subject: Re: 100 Greatest Alternative Artists
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I don't think the list needs major work, I just don't see how record sales should have much of an impact on this sort of list.

Fwiw also, I would have the top 15 as:

1. The Velvet Underground
2. David Bowie
3. Radiohead
4. R.E.M.
5. Pixies
6. Sonic Youth
7. Nirvana
8. Joy Division
9. Talking Heads
10. Television
11. The Smiths
12. Elvis Costello
13. The Stooges
14. The Cure
15. The Fall


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 Post subject: Re: 100 Greatest Alternative Artists
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I guess I'll have my take at it too then, I pretty much agree though.

1. The Velvet Underground
2. David Bowie
3. R.E.M.
4. Radiohead
5. Talking Heads
6. Pixies
7. Sonic Youth
8. The Smiths
9. Joy Division
10. U2
11. Iggy Pop & the Stooges
12. Nirvana
13. Brian Eno
14. Elvis Costello & the Attractions
15. Television
16. The Cure
17. MC5
18. Blondie
19. The Jesus and Mary Chain
20. Pavement


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 Post subject: Re: 100 Greatest Alternative Artists
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I see we both agree that Pixies are too low and Nirvana are too high. Anyone else feel the same?

Oh, and I love JAMC, they are one of my favourite bands and I think they are maybe a bit low on the original list, but no way should they be ahead of the Fall, as British alt. rock goes.


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I missed the Fall, you could put them in in Blondie's place.


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 Post subject: Re: 100 Greatest Alternative Artists
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Skullkid disappeared off the face of the earth mid-revision earlier this year. I agree it could use some major work too.

Oh, as for the lack of punk bands? A user called dinss pitched a fit about including them, so we took all of them off to shut him up.


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