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 Post subject: 100 Greatest Alternative Artists *NEW REVISION 5/6/2014*
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100 Greatest Alternative Artists
NEW REVISION: May 7, 2014
Edited by: Piper

Criteria: Artists are ranked by their influence, impact, and popularity. List includes alternative rock, post-punk and new wave artists, as well as artists in the various alternative rock subgenres (including - but not limited to - indie rock, Britpop, grunge, shoegazing, post rock, emo, alternative dance, goth rock and dream pop).

Bold denotes artist newly added to the November 2013 revision.

1. R.E.M.
2. Nirvana
3. Talking Heads
4. The Smiths
5. Radiohead
6. Sonic Youth
7. U2
8. Elvis Costello & The Attractions
9. Joy Division
10. Pixies
11. The Cure
12. Pearl Jam
13. Red Hot Chili Peppers
14. The Replacements
15. Soundgarden
16. Kate Bush
17. Nine Inch Nails
18. Hüsker Dü
19. New Order
20. The Smashing Pumpkins
21. Depeche Mode
22. Fugazi
23. Pavement
24. Beck
25. Dinosaur Jr.
26. The Jesus and Mary Chain
27. Green Day
28. Alice in Chains
29. Weezer
30. Foo Fighters
31. Echo and the Bunnymen
32. Siouxsie and the Banshees
33. XTC
34. Wire
35. Oasis
36. My Bloody Valentine
37. Blur
38. The Flaming Lips
39. Bjork
40. Jane's Addiction
41. Bauhaus
42. Public Image Ltd.
43. Tori Amos
44. Yo La Tengo
45. The White Stripes
46. Morrissey
47. Violent Femmes
48. Pulp
49. The Jam
50. Minutemen
51. Guided by Voices
52. Gang of Four
53. Hole
54. Liz Phair
55. Meat Puppets
56. Mudhoney
57. Coldplay
58. Stone Temple Pilots
59. No Doubt
60. The Fall
61. Elliott Smith
62. Cocteau Twins
63. PJ Harvey
64. Suede
65. Nick Cave and the Bad Seeds
66. Wilco
67. Belle and Sebastian
68. Sleater-Kinney
69. Faith No More
70. Superchunk
71. They Might Be Giants
72. Primal Scream
73. Modest Mouse
74. Squeeze
75. Manic Street Preachers
76. The Stone Roses
77. 10,000 Maniacs
78. Jeff Buckley
79. Arcade Fire
80. Mission of Burma
81. Beat Happening
82. Stereolab
83. The Psychedelic Furs
84. The Cranberries
85. The Go-Betweens
86. Sebadoh
87. Midnight Oil
88. Redd Kross
89. Let's Active
90. Throwing Muses
91. Madness
92. The dB's
93. Galaxie 500
94. Morphine
95. Fiona Apple
96. Built to Spill
97. The Wedding Present
98. Teenage Fanclub
99. The Specials
100. Camper Van Beethoven

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101. Talk Talk
102. Love and Rockets
103. The Soft Boys
104. This Mortal Coil
105. The Feelies
106. Muse
107. Queens of the Stone Age
108. The Pogues
109. The Church
110. The Jesus Lizard
111. Lush
112. Ride
113. The Sugarcubes
114. The Chameleons
115. Afghan Whigs
116. Sisters of Mercy
117. Low
118. Neutral Milk Hotel
119. Killing Joke
120. Sunny Day Real Estate
121. The Birthday Party
122. The Happy Mondays
123. Swans
124. Robyn Hitchcock
125. The Dismemberment Plan
126. Mother Love Bone
127. Garbage
128. The Magnetic Fields
129. The Verve
130. The Charlatans
131. Magazine
132. The Alarm
133. Red House Painters
134. Pylon
135. Soul Asylum
136. Godspeed You! Black Emperor
137. Super Furry Animals
138. Sloan
139. Arctic Monkeys
140. Orange Juice
141. Spiritualized
142. The Lemonheads
143. fIREHOSE
144. Gorillaz
145. Spoon
146. Placebo
147. The Strokes
148. Slowdive
149. Big Black
150. The Breeders
151. Franz Ferdinand
152. Butthole Surfers
153. Catherine Wheel
154. Green River
155. The Mekons
156. The House of Love
157. The Sundays
158. At the Drive-In
159. Screaming Trees
160. The Housemartins
161. Young Marble Giants
162. Sinéad O'Connor
163. Juliana Hatfield
164. Fall Out Boy
165. The Black Keys
166. Jimmy Eat World
167. The The
168. Mogwai
169. Eels
170. Blind Melon
171. Blink-182
172. Broadcast
173. Kings of Leon
174. James
175. Silverchair
176. My Chemical Romance
177. Ween
178. Slint
179. The Mountain Goats
180. Gene Loves Jezebel
181. The Decemberists
182. The Killers
183. Incubus
184. Broken Social Scene
185. TV on the Radio
186. Death Cab for Cutie
187. LCD Soundsystem
188. Yeah Yeah Yeahs
189. Spacemen 3
190. Royal Trux
191. The Promise Ring
192. Sublime
193. Snow Patrol
194. Matthew Sweet
195. Buffalo Tom
196. Television Personalities
197. Jawbox
198. Gin Blossoms
199. The Smithereens
200. The Tragically Hip

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100 Greatest Influences on Alternative Music
Criteria: Includes which perform non-alternative genres (including some artists which pre-date the genre) which have had a noticeable and long-lasting influence on alternative rock music. Includes pre-alternative, 1970's punk, 1960's garage rock, protopunk, psychedelic rock, experimental music, alternative hip-hop, trip-hop and electronica artists. Artists are ranked by influence on alternative music, critical acclaim from alternative music publications and popularity within the alternative music culture and community. The list includes artists that predate the alternative music, as well as artists that are contemporaneous with the genre.

1. David Bowie
2. Velvet Underground
3. Neil Young
4. The Stooges
5. MC5
6. Patti Smith
7. Frank Zappa
8. Brian Eno
9. Scott Walker
10. Tom Waits
11. Ramones
12. The Sex Pistols
13. The Clash
14. Lou Reed
15. Iggy Pop
16. Television
17. Roxy Music
18. Jonathan Richman and the Modern Lovers
19. Pere Ubu
20. Blondie
21. The Sonics
22. New York Dolls
23. Big Star
24. Suicide
25. Can
26. Leonard Cohen
27. Kraftwerk
28. Captain Beefheart
29. Sparks
30. Love
31. Warren Zevon
32. Richard and Linda Thompson/Richard Thompson (solo)
33. Nick Drake
34. Glenn Branca
35. The Stranglers
36. Syd Barrett
37. Throbbing Gristle
38. Cheap Trick
39. Devo
40. Silver Apples
41. Black Flag
42. Buzzcocks
43. Beastie Boys
44. Dead Kennedys
45. The 13th Floor Elevators
46. Robert Wyatt
47. Nick Lowe
48. Portishead
49. This Heat
50. T. Rex
51. Richard Hell and the Voidoids
52. The Residents
53. The Seeds
54. Swell Maps
55. Cabaret Voltaire
56. The Damned
57. Todd Rundgren
58. Massive Attack
59. John Cale
60. The Red Crayola/Red Krayola
61. X
62. NRBQ
63. Stiff Little Fingers
64. The Undertones
65. Dr. Feelgood
66. Radio Birdman
67. The Slits
68. Hawkwind
69. The Cramps
70. Bad Brains
71. John Cooper Clarke
72. Graham Parker
73. Henry Cow
74. The Adverts
75. Brinsley Schwarz
76. John Cage
77. Herbie Hancock
78. The Prodigy
79. Laurie Anderson
80. Moby Grape
81. Squarepusher
82. Public Enemy
83. The Selecter
84. Negativland
85. Fatboy Slim
86. Tricky
87. De La Soul
88. Billy Bragg
89. Kirsty MacColl
90. DJ Shadow
91. The KLF
92. Faithless
93. Vic Chesnutt
94. The Pharcyde
95. The Art of Noise
96. Boards of Canada
97. Victoria Williams
98. Amy Winehouse
99. The Chemical Brothers
100. The Avalanches


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 Post subject: Re: 100 Greatest Alternative Artists
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Les Rallizes Denudes need to be on there somewhere in the top 100 I'd think. 150 at least. Predated a lot of music and did for Japan more than any other band until Boredoms. I can find vids if people want proof, but their influence is obvious if you just go to Youtube for 5 seconds and watch any of their videos.


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 Post subject: Re: 100 Greatest Alternative Artists
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mizutani ftw


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 Post subject: Re: 100 Greatest Alternative Artists
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Slint, The Arcade Fire and Neutral Milk Hotel look far, far too low for me.

How are all those behind Coldplay, Mogwai, The Go-Betweeners, The White Stripes, The Church and Tortoise to name a few?


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 Post subject: Re: 100 Greatest Alternative Artists
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Yeah, seriously, for having a No. 1 album, Arcade Fire are not high enough.


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 Post subject: Re: 100 Greatest Alternative Artists
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To play the devil's advocate, Coldplay have massive popularity that those indie artists could never dream of touching, Mogwai were one of the first tr00 post-rock bands so they were crazy influential and even brought popularity to the genre before bands like Sigur Ros, The Go-Betweens again just have massive influence on their side, The White Stripes have popularity and acclaim unlike few modern bands today, The Church and Tortoise were mainly just incredibly influential.


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 Post subject: Re: 100 Greatest Alternative Artists
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Surely, we should be judging on Popularity amongst Alt. music fans rather than record sales though in regards to Popularity? Does basing it on record sales not kind of defeat the point of it being Alternative music?

Coldplay and The White Stripes are a greater artists than NMH, Slint or The Arcade Fire, but absolutely no way are they a greater Alternative artists.

Yes, Mogwai were one of the first post-rock bands, but Slint were the first. Slint are far more influential than Mogwai.

Yeah, the Church and Tortoise were influential, but not to the same extent as the three artist mentioned, neither do they have anywhere near the popularity amongst Alt music fans.


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 Post subject: Re: 100 Greatest Alternative Artists
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Yeah but it's a greatest list, so I assume the criteria is popularity and impact, something that all of those bands have a lot of one way or the other. And Slint, Arcade Fire and NMH really have one influential album to their name when these bands have discographies worth (Coldplay's debatable, and I don't really care where they end up). I'm just saying it's all justified.


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 Post subject: Re: 100 Greatest Alternative Artists
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But it's a greatest Alternative Artists list not a list of Greatest Artists who could be labelled as Alternative. So surely we should be trying to be basing it on Alternative music alone, so using record sales doesn't really make sense. Popularity should be based on Popularity from Alt. fans only, surely?


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If that's the route you wanna take, then most of the bands there would be off the list, which I'm cool with, but you'd basically have to rework the whole thing it seems like.


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 Post subject: Re: 100 Greatest Alternative Artists
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I don't think the list needs major work, I just don't see how record sales should have much of an impact on this sort of list.

Fwiw also, I would have the top 15 as:

1. The Velvet Underground
2. David Bowie
3. Radiohead
4. R.E.M.
5. Pixies
6. Sonic Youth
7. Nirvana
8. Joy Division
9. Talking Heads
10. Television
11. The Smiths
12. Elvis Costello
13. The Stooges
14. The Cure
15. The Fall


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 Post subject: Re: 100 Greatest Alternative Artists
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I guess I'll have my take at it too then, I pretty much agree though.

1. The Velvet Underground
2. David Bowie
3. R.E.M.
4. Radiohead
5. Talking Heads
6. Pixies
7. Sonic Youth
8. The Smiths
9. Joy Division
10. U2
11. Iggy Pop & the Stooges
12. Nirvana
13. Brian Eno
14. Elvis Costello & the Attractions
15. Television
16. The Cure
17. MC5
18. Blondie
19. The Jesus and Mary Chain
20. Pavement


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 Post subject: Re: 100 Greatest Alternative Artists
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I see we both agree that Pixies are too low and Nirvana are too high. Anyone else feel the same?

Oh, and I love JAMC, they are one of my favourite bands and I think they are maybe a bit low on the original list, but no way should they be ahead of the Fall, as British alt. rock goes.


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I missed the Fall, you could put them in in Blondie's place.


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 Post subject: Re: 100 Greatest Alternative Artists
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Skullkid disappeared off the face of the earth mid-revision earlier this year. I agree it could use some major work too.

Oh, as for the lack of punk bands? A user called dinss pitched a fit about including them, so we took all of them off to shut him up.


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