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 Post subject: Re: 100 Greatest Metal Songs
PostPosted: Tue Dec 07, 2010 1:48 pm 
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This is a 2010 list, not a 1973 list, so it'd apply to the definition of 'heavy metal' within the metal subculture today.


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 Post subject: Re: 100 Greatest Metal Songs
PostPosted: Tue Dec 07, 2010 3:42 pm 
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MJ7 wrote:
gminer wrote:
that is incorrect in regards to Hendrix by a significant distance

You meant it won't be in the top 5 or there are some songs from DP or LZ that are 'more metal' than PH?
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I am aware many of the principle founders and influences of this genre are no longer considered to be part of the genre

Steve Harris claims that he was influenced, in example, by Wishbone Ash. That fact doesn't make WA metal band.
If we make exceptions for DP in this particular list, we'll have to make it in every other metal list here. It's that simple.


... incorrect on Hendrix being heavier or more metal than DP or Zep ..... not sure how the Wishbone Ash quote ties to this as I am not asking for DP to be added as a metal or heavy metal band ... other than stating they have done tunes which are both ... and they were called heavy metal but almost everyone in the 70`s including most music magazines ... what I am stating is that it seems the name of the band is determining that staus of the tune .... if Iron Maiden had originally done Child in Time or Highway Star or Fools or Fireball note for note the same as DP, there is little doubt how the tune would be labelled .... Take care

From 1969

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Deep Purple: Made In Japan
Jon Tiven, Rolling Stone, 24 May 1973

DEEP PURPLE have had a rough time gaining and retaining the status of being Kings of the Heavy Metal Set, and with the release of their last album, Who Do We Think We Are?, many critics rejected the fawnish fivesome for (1) trying to step out of their league with electronic-cum-Yes gizmos and melodic lines or (2) staying within the confines of their initial blockbuster, Deep Purple in Rock.

Deep Purple: Machine Head
Metal Mike Saunders, Phonograph Record, May 1972

I was pretty pleased with the new Deep Purple album when it first came in the mail, since it was a good heavy metal album


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 Post subject: Re: 100 Greatest Metal Songs
PostPosted: Tue Dec 07, 2010 3:58 pm 
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Why would the addition of songs by those bands necessarily mean they have to be included in every other list? I think gminer's point is well reasoned and makes perfect sense. There's been countless discussions about whether or not those bands were metal, where the general consensus was that they weren't, but they had songs that were.

To use a more modern example, take the Steve Vai song "Bad Horsie". I doubt you'd say that song isn't metal, even though Steve Vai isn't a metal artist. If that song were to be great enough for this list (which most, including me, probably don't think it is), would it not be eligble?


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 Post subject: Re: 100 Greatest Metal Songs
PostPosted: Tue Dec 07, 2010 4:00 pm 
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Why would the addition of songs by those bands necessarily mean they have to be included in every other list? I think gminer's point is well reasoned and makes perfect sense. There's been countless discussions about whether or not those bands were metal, where the general consensus was that they weren't, but they had songs that were.

To use a more modern example, take the Steve Vai song "Bad Horsie". I doubt you'd say that song isn't metal, even though Steve Vai isn't a metal artist. If that song were to be great enough for this list (which most, including me, probably don't think it is), would it not be eligble?


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 Post subject: Re: 100 Greatest Metal Songs
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Yeah, I don't understand why it should affect the other lists. To to be considered on the "greatest metal albums" or "greatest metal artists" lists, you need to have released a primarily metal album, but a metal song is a metal song, not matter what else the artist has released.


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 Post subject: Re: 100 Greatest Metal Songs
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bloodredchaos wrote:
Yeah, I don't understand why it should affect the other lists. To to be considered on the "greatest metal albums" or "greatest metal artists" lists, you need to have released a primarily metal album, but a metal song is a metal song, not matter what else the artist has released.


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 Post subject: Re: 100 Greatest Metal Songs
PostPosted: Tue Dec 07, 2010 7:02 pm 
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Machine Head in albums list? Or Deep Purple in bands? If DP would have 3-4 songs in this list and one (maybe more) album that is at least in the top 30 in greatest metal albums than it should make top 100 greatest metal bands, hmm?

Purple Haze from 1968:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B20SUdDZMBc

"A late, and disputed, claim about the source of the term (Heavy Metal) was made by "Chas" Chandler, former manager of the Jimi Hendrix Experience. In a 1995 interview on the PBS program Rock and Roll, he asserted that heavy metal "was a term originated in a New York Times article reviewing a Jimi Hendrix performance," in which the author likened the event to "listening to heavy metal falling from the sky.""




Well, if we add DP, than we should add GnR, AC/DC also.


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 Post subject: Re: 100 Greatest Metal Songs
PostPosted: Tue Dec 07, 2010 7:32 pm 
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One or two out of 18 studio records, doesn't quite cut it, IMO. I'll admit to not having extensive information about DP's discography, though, so I don't want to discuss whether or not they qualify as a heavy metal band. One thing is certain, though, songs like "Highway Star" are heavy metal without a doubt. IMO, you're making this a lot more complicated than it necessarily needs to be. Early references to heavy metal, like the one you procured, can be found about Led Zeppelin, Deep Purple, Blue Cheer and whatnot aswell. Doesn't mean we have to change our entire view of which bands are metal or not, just to add some songs. Especially considering how important some of these songs have been to the further development of heavy metal, regardless of whether the album it's on is metal or if the band in mention is metal.

I'd also consider a song like "My Michelle" to be heavy metal, so if it were to be great enough for this list, I'd vouch for its addition. Same thing counts for AC/DC or any other band.


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 Post subject: Re: 100 Greatest Metal Songs
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MJ7 wrote:
Machine Head in albums list? Or Deep Purple in bands? If DP would have 3-4 songs in this list and one (maybe more) album that is at least in the top 30 in greatest metal albums than it should make top 100 greatest metal bands, hmm?

Purple Haze from 1968:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B20SUdDZMBc

"A late, and disputed, claim about the source of the term (Heavy Metal) was made by "Chas" Chandler, former manager of the Jimi Hendrix Experience. In a 1995 interview on the PBS program Rock and Roll, he asserted that heavy metal "was a term originated in a New York Times article reviewing a Jimi Hendrix performance," in which the author likened the event to "listening to heavy metal falling from the sky.""




Well, if we add DP, than we should add GnR, AC/DC also.


... not suggesting the pioneering bands be listed only recognized if it is agreeable and they fit certain lists .... historically going back to 1960-64 many references are made to this era for example ... and it doesn`t mean they have to be ignored, they are just reference points ... Take care

Pete Townshend -
"I used to see Richie Blackmore carrying his guitar up and down my street when I was 14 or 15. Some jazz pianist down the road used to say to me, "You've got a guitar, there's a really great boy who comes and plays with me sometimes called Richie Blackmore. He invented heavy metal. I didn't. He was doing it years before us and probably invented power chords as well. So I dunno why he's such a sullen, dark, evil mother****er (grins)."

http://books.google.ca/books?id=b03CYc9 ... &q&f=false


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 Post subject: Re: 100 Greatest Metal Songs
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... please indulge me and give these two tunes a listen .... Take care

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=usrA4VWO ... re=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TS9IqML8 ... re=related

.... and something more recent - The Well Dressed Guitar studio and live

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UT18NO1C0Sk

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K3pchfgG ... re=related


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 Post subject: Re: 100 Greatest Metal Songs
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Fireball fucking owns (well aside from that "solo" in the middle, which sounds like the damn thing wasn't even plugged in.)


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 Post subject: Re: 100 Greatest Metal Songs
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JRA wrote:
Fireball fucking owns (well aside from that "solo" in the middle, which sounds like the damn thing wasn't even plugged in.)


another oster with wisdom ... as a note of trivia Fireball is a rare DP song without a guitar solo and has a bass on instead .... many point to this tune as the beginning of speed metal ... Take care

... and according to Wikipedia

It is one of the few Deep Purple songs to feature Ian Paice using a double-bass pedal, which he apparently borrowed from Keith Moon from The Who, who at the same time was recording the album "Who's Next" next door in the same studio.


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 Post subject: Re: 100 Greatest Metal Songs
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... Ritchie Blackmore is the founder of Rainbow ... We're considering Rainbow albums with Dio as metal ... Take care

Shuure wrote:
One or two out of 18 studio records, doesn't quite cut it, IMO

If we're putting Rainbow just for 2-3 albums in 'greatest metal bands' list, than we can do the same for DP. Of course only if we'll decide that most of the songs from IR and MH are metal (for me, Highway Star isn't the most heavy from MH for example, so if we're going to put HS in this list than we should do the same for MH in albums list).

My vote goes to 'DP is hard rock in todays standards, so we shouldn't include DP anywhere'. But ofc if I get outvoted in this I'll add Highway Star, Child in Time, Smoke on the Water, maybe Black Night from DP, Highway to Hell, Back in Black, Hells Bells from AC/DC, Immigrant Song, Whole Lotta Love, maybe Stairway (?) from LZ, Welcome to the Jungle and Sweet Child O Mine from GnR and maybe even Rock Bottom, Purple Haze, 2112 (it's often claimed that Rush was an inspiration for metal bands), In A Gadda Da Vida, Born To Be Wild, Detroit Rock City, I Was Made For Loving You, some Van Halen etc.

Because 'if you added Highway Star, why you didn't do the same for (...)'. And adding at least 10 songs from above will make the list a lot different. IMO, worse. But decision is up to you guys.


Oh btw - Deep Purple owns. I know, I know, words of wisdom.


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 Post subject: Re: 100 Greatest Metal Songs
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Another wise post^
...take care :lol:


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 Post subject: Re: 100 Greatest Metal Songs
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Another wise post^
...take care :lol:


... it appears another poster, well endowed with wisdom, beat me in recognizing another poster of wisdom .... Take care

...Perfect Strangers 1984

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HMly6D0nrgA

... from Deep Purple 1993 - The Battle Rages On..

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cByP999tEXU

... shred solo time 1996 ... Ted the Mechanic ...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aj69B7zQsgI

... metal time 1998 ... Bludsucker

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UqOos-ssB3M

.... Silver Tongue 2003

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..... Wrong Man 2005

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