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This has the same criterion as the artists list and the same definition of Indie Rock as well.
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This list is based off the same criteria as the Alternative list: Albums are ranked by their influence, musical and cultural impact, popularity, and innovation.

This list considers "indie rock" to be a genre with a discernible sound rather than a designation of label status. Although said genre originated and was cultivated on independent labels, it is no longer exclusive to them.

WHAT WILL BE INCLUDED
- what the general public often considers "indie rock" to be, those artists in the indie rock genre who have remained on indie rock labels their entire career
- key indie rock bands (like Modest Mouse and TV on the Radio) which have been signed away from their indie labels and are now on majors
- Dance-punk, twee pop and various genres often considered to be offshoots of indie rock

WHAT WILL BE INCLUDED ON A CASE BY CASE BASIS
- bands that are on indie labels in one country, but a major in another (such as Phoenix).
- British indie bands. In Britain, the genres that America calls "indie rock" and "alternative" are one genre, called simply "indie". This makes it difficult to those unfamiliar to the genre to deduce which bands are actually "indie rock" and which are merely alternative bands signed to an indie label.
- I'm unsure of whether or not to include The Strokes.
- Bands from the 2000's "post-punk revival" (Franz Ferdinand, The Libertines)

WHAT WILL NOT BE INCLUDED
- artists (such as Creed and The Offspring) who were or are signed to indie label, but are never considered "indie rock".
- Several alternative rock or post punk bands which spent their entire career on indie labels before "indie rock" came into being (Joy Division).
- 1980's "college rock" artists (REM, Robyn Hitchcock)
- Radiohead
- most, if not all, Britpop artists.
- Certain artists which used to be on a major label but have left to become an indie or unsigned artist (Nine Inch Nails, XTC)


1. In the Aeroplane Over the Sea - Neutral Milk Hotel
2. Slanted & Enchanted - Pavement
3. The Queen is Dead - The Smiths
4. Spiderland - Slint
5. Doolittle - Pixies
6. Is This It - The Strokes
7. Crooked Rain, Crooked Rain - Pavement
8. Funeral - Arcade Fire
9. Bee Thousand - Guided By Voices
10. I Can Feel the Heart Beating as One - Yo La Tengo
11. If You're Feeling Sinister - Belle & Sebastian
12. Exile in Guyville - Liz Phair
13. Either/Or - Elliott Smith
14. The Moon and Antartica - Modest Mouse
15. You're Living All Over Me - Dinosaur Jr.
16. Turn On the Bright Lights - Interpol
17. Illinois - Sufjan Stevens
18. Whatever People Say I am, That's What I'm Not - Arctic Monkeys
19. I Could Live in Hope - Low
20. Music from the Unrealized Film Script, Dusk at Cubist Castle - Olivia Tremor Control
21. Return to Cookie Mountain - TV On the Radio
22. Emergency & I - The Dismemberment Plan
23. You Forgot it in People - Broken Social Scene
24. 69 Love Songs - The Magnetic Fields
25. Tigermilk - Belle & Sebastian
26. There Is Nothing Wrong With Love - Built To Spill
27. Harmacy - Sebadoh
28. Surfer Rosa - Pixies
29. Kill the Moonlight - Spoon
30. Transatlanticism - Death Cab for Cutie
31. The Smiths - The Smiths
32. Strawberry Jam - Animal Collective
33. Dig Me Out - Sleater-Kinney
34. The Lonesome Crowded West - Modest Mouse
35. And Then Nothing Turned Itself Inside-Out - Yo La Tengo
36. Lifted or The Story Is in the Soil, Keep Your Ear to the Ground - Bright Eyes
37. Satanic Panic in the Attic - of Montreal
38. Seperation Sunday - The Hold Steady
39. Franz Ferdinand - Franz Ferdinand
40. LCD Soundstsystem - LCD Soundsystem
41. The Suburbs - Arcade Fire
42. George Best - The Wedding Present
43. I See A Darkness - Bonnie "Prince" Billy
44. Picaresque - The Decemberists
45. Desperate Youth, Blood Thirsty Babes - TV on the Radio
46. Fever to Tell - Yeah Yeah Yeahs
47. Jamboree - Beat Happening
48. Ga Ga Ga Ga Ga - Spoon
49. Yerself Is Steam - Mercury Rev
50. XO - Elliott Smith
51. Alien Lanes - Guided by Voices
52. Wowee Zowee - Pavement
53. Apologies to the Queen Mary - Wolf Parade
54. The Glow Pt. 2 - The Microphones
55. Boxer - The National
56. Clap Your Hands Say Yeah - Clap Your Hands Say Yeah
57. Viva Hate - Morrissey
58. Source Tags & Codes - ...And You Will Know Us By the Trail Of Dead
59. Internal Wrangler - Clinic
60. Oh, Inverted World - The Shins
61. No Pocky For Kitty - Superchunk
62. Fun Trick Noisemaker - Apples in Stereo
63. Good News For People Who Love Bad News - Modest Mouse
64. Bakesale - Sebadoh
65. Perfect From Now On - Built to Spill
66. Hissing Fauna, Are You the Destroyer? - of Montreal
67. On Avery Island - Neutral Milk Hotel
68. Give Up - The Postal Service
69. The Reminder - Feist
70. Meat is Murder - The Smiths
71. Set Yourself On Fire - Stars
72. Mass Romantic - The New Pornographers
73. Le Jardin De Heavenly - Heavenly
74. Tallahassee - The Mountain Goats
75. Mag Earwhig! - Guided By Voices
76. Echoes - The Rapture
77. Dear Catastrophe Waitress - Belle & Sebastian
78. Accelerator - Royal Trux
79. Painful - Yo La Tengo
80. Live It Out - Metric
81. Down Colourful Hill - Red House Painters
82. Bug - Dinosaur Jr.
83. Writer's Block - Peter Bjorn and John
84. The Curtain Hits The Cast - Low
85. Silent Alarm - Bloc Party
86. mclusky Do Dallas - mclusky
87. Back in the DHSS - Half Man Half Biscuit
88. On Fire - Galaxie 500
89. London 0 Hull 4 - The Housemartins
90. Bows + Arrows - The Walkmen
91. Elliott Smith - Elliott Smith
92. Brighten the Corners - Pavement
93. 16 Lovers Lane - The Go-Betweens
94. Neon Bible - Arcade Fire
95. For Respect - Don Cabellero
96. You Can't Hide Love Forever - Orange Juice
97. Broken Social Scene - Broken Social Scene
98. The Photo Album - Death Cab for Cutie
99. Boys and Girls in America - The Hold Steady
100. Fevers and Mirrors - Bright Eyes

101. Merriweather Post Pavilion - Animal Collective
102. Wolfgang Amadeus Phoenix - Phoenix
103. The Charm of the Highway Strip - The Magnetic Fields
104. Up the Bracket - The Libertines
105. Your Arsenal - Morrissey
106. The Dismemberment Plan is Terrified - The Dismemberment Plan
107. Imperial F.F.R.R. - Unrest
108. The Sophtware Slump - Grandaddy
109. Vampire Weekend - Vampire Weekend
110. ...And Don't the Kids Just Love It - Television Personalities
111. Strangeways, Here We Come - The Smiths
112. Trompe Le Monde - Pixies
113. The Body, The Blood, The Machine - The Thermals
114. Before Hollywood - The Go-Betweens
115. Fabulous Muscles - Xiu Xiu
116. Gimme Fiction - Spoon
117. Superchunk - Superchunk
118. The Milk-Eyed Mender - Joanna Newsom
119. Let's Get Out of This Country - Camera Obscura
120. Sound of Silver - LCD Soundsystem
121. Let It Die - Feist
122. Everything All the Time - Band of Horses
123. Terror Twilight - Pavement
124. More Adventurous - Rilo Kiley
125. Dare to Be Surprised - The Folk Implosion
126. The White Birch - Codiene
127. Figure 8 - Elliott Smith
128. Alligator - The National
129. The Boy with the Arab Strap - Belle & Sebastian
130. Red Apple Falls - Smog
131. Black Sheep Boy - Okkervil River
132. The Shepherd's Dog - Iron & Wine
133. You Are Free - Cat Power
134. Veckatimest - Grizzly Bear
135. Forever Again - Eric's Trip
136. Red House Painters (Rollercoaster) - Red House Painters
137. Microcastle/Weird Era Cont. - Deerhunter
138. Ys - Joanna Newsom
139. Everclear - American Music Club
140. Hearts of Oak - Ted Leo and the Pharmacists
141. Icky Mettle - Archers of Loaf
142. Secaucus - The Wrens
143. Today - Galaxie 500
144. Gulag Orkestar - Beirut
145. Blood Visions - Jay Reatard
146. Highly Refined Pirates - Minus the Bear
147. Room on Fire - The Strokes
148. I Am Not Afraid of You and I Will Beat Your Ass - Yo La Tengo
149. All Hands on the Bad One - Sleater-Kinney
150. Michigan - Sufjan Stevens
151. Sung Tongs - Animal Collective
152. You Turn Me On - Beat Happening
153. Starlite Walker - The Silver Jews
154. Where You Been - Dinosaur Jr.
155. Reveille - Deerhoof
156. More Parts Per Million - The Thermals
157. Snowball - The Field Mice
158. The Sunlandic Twins - of Montreal
159. The Difference Between Me and You Is That I'm Not on Fire - mclusky
160. You're A Woman, I'm A Machine - Death from Above 1979
161. The New Romantic - Pretty Girls Make Graves
162. Favourite Worst Nightmare - Arctic Monkeys
163. Liberty Belle and the Black Diamond Express - The Go Betweens
164. Fiestas and Fiascos - Lifter Puller
165. I'm Wide Awake, It's Morning - Bright Eyes
166. Palomine - Bettie Serveert
167. Gone Glimmering - Chavez
168. Up for a Bit with the Pastels - The Pastels
169. Perfect Teeth - Unrest
170. Strangers from the Universe - Thinking Fellers Union Local 282
171. So Jealous - Tegan and Sara
172. Let's Stay Friends - Les Savy Fav
173. You Are the Quarry - Morrissey
174. Oracular Spectacular - MGMT
175. Dum-Dum - The Vaselines
176. Today's Active Lifestyles - Polvo
177. You Could Have It So Much Better - Franz Ferdinand
178. Antics - Interpol
179. The Crane Wife - The Decemberists
180. Good Health - Pretty Girls Make Graves
181. Feels - Animal Collective
182. Night Falls Over Kortedala - Jens Lekman
183. The Hour of Bewilderbeast - Badly Drawn Boy
184. In Case We Die - Architecture in Helsinki
185. Bang Bang Rock & Roll - Art Brut
186. All Hail West Texas - The Mountain Goats
187. Shake the Sheets - Ted Leo and the Pharmacists
188. Employment - Kaiser Chiefs
189. Blank Wave Arcade - The Faint
190. The Albemarle Sound - The Ladybug Transistor
191. Will Anything Happen - Shop Assistants
192. Bossanova - Pixies
193. Bizarro - The Wedding Present
194. Cryptograms - Deerhunter
195. Featuring "Birds" - Quasi
196. Fuckin' A - The Thermals
197. Whip-Smart - Liz Phair
198. Andrew Bird & the Mysterious Production of Eggs - Andrew Bird
199. Dear Science - TV on the Radio
200. Black Foliage: Animation Music Volume One - Olivia Tremor Control


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 Post subject: Re: Greatest Indie Rock Albums
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 Post subject: Re: Greatest Indie Rock Albums
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piper wrote:
This has the same criterion as the artists list and the same definition of Indie Rock as well.
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Piper wrote:
This list is based off the same criteria as the Alternative list: Albums are ranked by their influence, musical and cultural impact, popularity, and innovation.

This list considers "indie rock" to be a genre with a discernible sound rather than a designation of label status. Although said genre originated and was cultivated on independent labels, it is no longer exclusive to them.

WHAT WILL BE INCLUDED
- what the general public often considers "indie rock" to be, those artists in the indie rock genre who have remained on indie rock labels their entire career
- key indie rock bands (like Modest Mouse and TV on the Radio) which have been signed away from their indie labels and are now on majors
- Dance-punk, twee pop and various genres often considered to be offshoots of indie rock

WHAT WILL BE INCLUDED ON A CASE BY CASE BASIS
- bands that are on indie labels in one country, but a major in another (such as Phoenix).
- British indie bands. In Britain, the genres that America calls "indie rock" and "alternative" are one genre, called simply "indie". This makes it difficult to those unfamiliar to the genre to deduce which bands are actually "indie rock" and which are merely alternative bands signed to an indie label.
- I'm unsure of whether or not to include The Strokes.
- Bands from the 2000's "post-punk revival" (Franz Ferdinand, The Libertines)

Ugh, I really hate the "genre" of indie rock. Especially that most of all these bands can be categorized as another genre aside from indie and most of these band have completely different sounds. I do agree that there is a vague "indie sound" but I have to say it's really hard to draw the line with your criteria. If you're going to include modern shoegaze bands like Beach House, Deerhunter, and the Twilight Sad what is preventing you from including Loveless? Then you have modern folk-rock stuff like Elliot Smith and The Mountain Goats. And why wouldn't you include The Strokes? You've already got DFA1979. They're just garage punk, might as well throw in The Hives. Then, the number 2 is one of the most important post-rock albums ever released, and it's the only post-rock album on here... Then you've got Trail od Dead, which IMO is straight-up post-hardcore... Like I said, I just don't know where to draw the line.


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Ugh, I really hate the "genre" of indie rock. Especially that most of all these bands can be categorized as another genre aside from indie and most of these band have completely different sounds. I do agree that there is a vague "indie sound" but I have to say it's really hard to draw the line with your criteria. If you're going to include modern shoegaze bands like Beach House, Deerhunter, and the Twilight Sad what is preventing you from including Loveless? Then you have modern folk-rock stuff like Elliot Smith and The Mountain Goats. And why wouldn't you include The Strokes? You've already got DFA1979. They're just garage punk, might as well throw in The Hives. Then, the number 2 is one of the most important post-rock albums ever released, and it's the only post-rock album on here... Then you've got Trail od Dead, which IMO is straight-up post-hardcore... Like I said, I just don't know where to draw the line.


And I do know where to draw the line.

That bolded statement could be made for Alternative rock as well. DFA1979 are Dance-Punk, and I consider Dance-Punk to be a sub-genre of indie rock. Garage punk is not.

Indie is a specific genre. Despite having influence on the genre MBV and The Strokes were not apart of this genre.


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eh. I'm not saying you don't know where to personally draw the line, I'm just saying it's hard because of the massive gray area, moreso than alt rock, which I personally think like classic rock is more of a radio label anyway. I just don't see what constitutes Fourteen Autumns and Fifteen Winters as indie rock because personally I think it's just a modern shoegaze release. Same with Trail of Dead, at least Source Tags is pretty much a post-hardcore album. There's no Fugazi on here, and I think Fugazi has similar "indie rock" elements. I have the same issue with Slint, who were a straight-up post-rock band. I just think if you include Slint and Trail of Dead, you're opening a door to huge genres and missing names like Sunny Day Real Estate, Tortoise, Godspeed, Fugazi, Cap'n Jazz, etc.


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 Post subject: Re: Greatest Indie Rock Albums
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Cap'n Jazz, Sunny Day and friends are all classic emo. I put them in a case-by-case basis, because up until Jimmy Eat World, emo was basically punk + indie rock in the early and mid 90's (with the exception Fugazi, who were always more punk and never indie). Early in their career, Modest Mouse and Built to Spill were considered emo bands - songs like "Broke" and "Car" aren't emo by today's standards, but they kinda were in 1994.

Still, I think I made the right choice by not including all those 2nd Generation Emo bands.

I had reservations in putting Spiderland on there, but I decided to after reviewing the record that it had enough indie rock elements to put on here. Ditto Source Tags.

Mostly I had Skullkid and Avery help with this and the Artist list, and I stopped before making an Indie Songs list because none of us has a consensus on what to put on there - me and Skullkid agreed it had to be a Pavement song, but which one? The hit ("Cut Your Hair")? or the defining song ("Summer Babe")?

Fourteen Autumns and Fifteen Winters was released on FatCat Records, whose other artists (We Were Promised Jetpacks and Frightened Rabbit) sound somewhat similar despite having different styles (because of the producer? their shared love of feedback?). At the point I put that on, I was running out of albums. I see no problem taking it off if you can think of another album (preferably by a band already on here) that I didn't include.


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Cap'n Jazz, Sunny Day and friends are all classic emo. I put them in a case-by-case basis, because up until Jimmy Eat World, emo was basically punk + indie rock in the early and mid 90's (with the exception Fugazi, who were always more punk and never indie). Early in their career, Modest Mouse and Built to Spill were considered emo bands - songs like "Broke" and "Car" aren't emo by today's standards, but they kinda were in 1994.

Sorry Piper, everything in this post is off the mark. Sunny Day Real Estate or Cap'n Jazz is not classic emo, that would be reserved for hardcore bands like Indian Summer and Moss Icon. Most people actually call their style "indie emo" because they directly infuse some of the classic emo elements with the indie and alt sounds of the time, these bands completely abandoned the punk elements in favor for a sound that drew more from Nirvana, Pavement, and Fugazi than anything. I've never heard of Modest Mouse or Built to Spill considered emo. Fugazi was never very punk, have you heard The Argument or Red Medicine? Post 13 Songs they consistently shed their lingering hardcore elements with every album. I would call The Thermals punk before I would call Fugazi punk. In fact I think it's weird people consider The Thermals indie rock when they sound to me like a classic pop-punk band.

I'll just concede I guess. It's up to you to decide what is and isn't indie rock, and I think that most everyone is going to have a different answer. If you don't mind me asking, what do you consider indie rock elements? I always considered indie rock as a style that draws mostly from either post-punk and noise rock of the late eighties and early nineties. I think as a style I think it's really hard to pinpoint a sound and say "that's indie rock." simply because you have a lot of stuff that's on complete opposite ends of the spectrum. On here you've got Pavement a noise pop band on one end, and then you've got Elliot Smith or Mountain Goats, acoustic driven folk singers on the other. For me the band that most defines what I would consider indie rock is Pavement or Sonic Youth, but very few bands considered indie rock today sound anything like that.

And, to remove Twilight Sad, I think you'd would then have to question, why is Beach House on here? Microcastle would be another that straddles the line, Deerhunter's early stuff is noise and with Cryptograms they pretty much transitioned to shoegaze with a few exceptions.


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by Classic Emo, I meant 2nd Gen Emo (what you call Indie Emo). Yes, Classic Emo = Rites of Spring, Fugazi, Moss Icon. etc. How silly of me.

Allmusic called early Modest Mouse and BTS "emo", don't really agree with them all to much, but there it is.

To be fully honest with you, i've only really listened to "13 Songs" and "Repeater" from Fugazi. Dunno. Parts of this list was taken from Skullkid's Alternative Albums list.

Indie rock is like pornography - I can't specifically define it in words all too well, I know it when I see/hear it. Indie rock is as difficult to nail down as "Alternative rock" is, so I tried my best. The sound of indie rock is just as diverse as Alternative - a genre where artists as disparate Kate Bush and Nirvana both live, and Post-Punk where you have The Fall and Squeeze in the same genre. All indie rock artists are alternative artists, but not all alternative artists are indie.

People outside of the indie bubble think any guitar band not on a major label is "indie". That means I keep getting my sister asking me if Panic at the Disco (on the indie label Fueled By Ramen) or Creed (who spent their whole career on the indie label Wind-Up - their Human Clay is the best selling independent label album of all time with sales exceeding 11 million copies, but we can all agree they're not apart of the indie genre) are "indie" bands. In label terms, yes. But in sound? absolutely not.

The only indie rock genre album to go platinum in the United States is Modest Mouse's Good News For People Who Like Bad News

"Such Great Heights" by The Postal Service is definitely the genre's best-selling single and one of a very small handful of Platinum singles to never chart on the Billboard Hot 100.


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Moss Icon and Indian Summer are second generation emo. Rites of Spring and Embrace are considered first generation. Indie emo is a completely separate offshoot that has little to do with actual emo.

Like I said, I think alternative is more of a radio label than an actual musical sound. Post-punk is much easier to nail down and has clear cornerstones in sound that contribute to the style, including sparse drums, deep monotone vocals, heavy bass lines, and textural guitars. I can point to most any post-punk band and pick these things out. I don't get the analogy there. Like I said, here you've got some artists that are just singer-songwriter dudes with an acoustic guitar slung over their back, and some are are full bands that write psychedelic music or aggressive punk. I've always considered "indie" simply that, independent music, and never really gave much thought to any specific sound.

Yeah, I get that about Creed, that's why I was asking for your take on the style, because obviously Creed are a post-grunge band. Panic at the Disco are harder to define, because I do think they have many of the same elements the some of the bands on this list do, their singer just sounds a lot like Fall Out Boy's singer. I'm not talking about record sales because, because that should be a moot point anyway.


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I'm not talking about record sales because, because that should be a moot point anyway.


Just thought that would be a nice fun fact.


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In fact I think it's weird people consider The Thermals indie rock when they sound to me like a classic pop-punk band.


I'm glad someone agrees with me. Indie Rock is so vague, you should establish a bonafide second resource, like RateYourMusic or somewhere else that lists the genres of bands. That way, you won't have the majority of this thread being about what is indie rock and what is not indie rock.


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And is Liz Phair even indie rock? Idc what rym says, that album is more alternative rock than anything else, just listening to it you can tell.


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It is definitely indie rock.


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