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 Post subject: Re: 100 Greatest Rock Artists (under revision)
PostPosted: Thu Jul 19, 2012 2:59 pm 
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Stavros678 wrote:
Dazed and Confused, Stairway to Heaven, ect.

Stairway to Heaven has nothing to do with "stealing". Its intro riff was only inspired by Spirit's "Taurus". Jimmy had no reason to give Spirit a credit.

Bruce wrote:
And "Dazed And Confused" was not an old blues song, it was done by Jake Holmes a couple of year before Zep stole it.

The lyrics are different; Zep's version includes an incredible vocal performance by Plant, not to mention the mindblowing guitar solo. It's not exactly stealing.


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 Post subject: Re: 100 Greatest Rock Artists (under revision)
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ZepHead wrote:
Stairway to Heaven has nothing to do with "stealing". Its intro riff was only inspired by Spirit's "Taurus". Jimmy had no reason to give Spirit a credit.


So what's his excuse for not giving Willie Dixon credit on "Whole Lotta Love?"


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 Post subject: Re: 100 Greatest Rock Artists (under revision)
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ZepHead wrote:
Stavros678 wrote:
Dazed and Confused, Stairway to Heaven, ect.

Stairway to Heaven has nothing to do with "stealing". Its intro riff was only inspired by Spirit's "Taurus". Jimmy had no reason to give Spirit a credit.

Bruce wrote:
And "Dazed And Confused" was not an old blues song, it was done by Jake Holmes a couple of year before Zep stole it.

The lyrics are different; Zep's version includes an incredible vocal performance by Plant, not to mention the mindblowing guitar solo. It's not exactly stealing.


Are you insane?

The title is the same and so is much of the song. They heard it when appearing live with Holmes. How the FUCK is that not stealing when they put the song out with no mention of Holmes as the writer?


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 Post subject: Re: 100 Greatest Rock Artists (under revision)
PostPosted: Thu Jul 19, 2012 3:11 pm 
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But you can't deny that Zep's and Holmes' versions are disparate, can you?


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 Post subject: Re: 100 Greatest Rock Artists (under revision)
PostPosted: Thu Jul 19, 2012 3:18 pm 
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ZepHead wrote:
But you can't deny that Zep's and Holmes' versions are disparate, can you?


But you can't deny that they stole the song, can you?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dazed_and_Confused_(song)


Singer-songwriter Jake Holmes wrote and recorded Dazed and Confused for his debut solo album "The Above Ground Sound" of Jake Holmes, released in June 1967. Like the other tracks on the album, the song does not include any drums. It was recorded entirely with the trio of Holmes on guitar, keyboard and vocals, Ted Irwin on guitar and Rick Randle on bass. The song has been incorrectly labelled as a tale about a bad acid trip. Holmes himself has confirmed that this is not the case. In 2001 he gave an interview to Shindig! magazine and said this about "Dazed and Confused":

I never took acid. I smoked grass and tripped on it, but I never took acid. I was afraid to take it. The song's about a girl who hasn't decided whether she wants to stay with me or not. It's pretty much one of those love songs.

In June 2010, Jake Holmes sued Led Zeppelin guitarist Jimmy Page for copyright infringement, claiming to have written and recorded “Dazed and Confused” two years before it appeared on Led Zeppelin's debut album. In court documents Holmes cited a 1967 copyright registration for “Dazed and Confused” which was renewed in 1995. This court case (CASE NO. CV10-4789-DMG-PJW) was "dismissed with prejudice" at the request of the plaintiff (Holmes) - presumably because the parties settled out of court - in January 2012.


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 Post subject: Re: 100 Greatest Rock Artists (under revision)
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Bruce wrote:
But you can't deny that they stole the song, can you?

I would've said that they stole it if the two versions really had been very similar.


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 Post subject: Re: 100 Greatest Rock Artists (under revision)
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 Post subject: Re: 100 Greatest Rock Artists (under revision)
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ZepHead wrote:
Bruce wrote:
But you can't deny that they stole the song, can you?

I would've said that they stole it if the two versions really had been very similar.


You clearly don't know shit about copyright laws.


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 Post subject: Re: 100 Greatest Rock Artists (under revision)
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Bruce wrote:
ZepHead wrote:
Bruce wrote:
But you can't deny that they stole the song, can you?

I would've said that they stole it if the two versions really had been very similar.


You clearly don't know shit about copyright laws.

Agreed, I don't know much about them, but I know that hey have nothing to do with the criteria, at least in this case.


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 Post subject: Re: 100 Greatest Rock Artists (under revision)
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ZepHead wrote:
Bruce wrote:
ZepHead wrote:
Bruce wrote:
But you can't deny that they stole the song, can you?

I would've said that they stole it if the two versions really had been very similar.


You clearly don't know shit about copyright laws.

Agreed, I don't know much about them, but I know that hey have nothing to do with the criteria, at least in this case.


Sure they do. The criteria on influence gives the direct influence to the original version of the song. Zep only gets secondary influence on all of the songs that they appropriated from other artists.

That's why people here think that the Who were more influential.


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 Post subject: Re: 100 Greatest Rock Artists (under revision)
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ZepHead wrote:
But you can't deny that Zep's and Holmes' versions are disparate, can you?


So are Mose Allison and The Who's versions of "Young Man Blues", but The Who still gave FULL writing credit to Mose Allison, because they aren't greedy, dishonest assholes.


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 Post subject: Re: 100 Greatest Rock Artists (under revision)
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ZepHead wrote:
It's almost tangible that Zeppelin wins in influence and popularity pretty easily, and I don't understand how The Who is more acclaimed by peers. Almost every goddamn musician from the 60's, 70's, and 80's praises Zeppelin to death.


Musical impact is primarily response to your work by your peers soon after its release. The Who cleans up on that. Led Zeppelin's work wasn't nearly as appreciated in its own time.

As for influence, there are extremely few major rock artists strongly influenced by Led Zeppelin that aren't also strongly influenced by The Who. But there are a slew of major rock artists strongly influenced by The Who who have little to no Led Zeppelin influence. We're talking artists like Jimi Hendrix, David Bowie, Pink Floyd, Neil Young, Elvis Costello, The Clash, U2, Green Day, and on and on. It's not even close, man.


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 Post subject: Re: 100 Greatest Rock Artists (under revision)
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Bruce wrote:
That's why people here think that the Who were more influential.

At least, Sampson's list think different:


1. Elvis Presley
2. The Beatles
3. James Brown
4. Bob Dylan
5. Chuck Berry
6. Run-D.M.C.
7. The Jimi Hendrix Experience
8. Ray Charles
9. Led Zeppelin
10. Fats Domino
11. Aretha Franklin
12. Clyde McPhatter
13. Little Richard
14. Madonna
15. Buddy Holly & The Crickets
16. Bill Haley & The Comets
17. Michael Jackson
18. The Beach Boys
19. Sam Cooke
20. The Who


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 Post subject: Re: 100 Greatest Rock Artists (under revision)
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Sampson's just wrong on that one. It happens.


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