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 Post subject: Re: 100 Greatest Rock Bass Guitarists
PostPosted: Fri Jun 08, 2012 8:46 pm 
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Dennis is a friend and a terrific guitarist. Babbitts solo on Scorpio is supposedly the longest bass solo in history on a top 40 record. Have you heard Babbitts extended solo on Scorpio when he sat in with Dave Pomeroys All Bass Orchestra?


Here it is. Not the best sounding recording though. Babbitt's bass is a bit muddy in the mix.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lq-ATlSd-A8

Yeah, I've seen that before...really trippy, an All Bass Orchestra. Pomeroy is a madman. Roy Vogt, playing the lead line on piccolo bass is a real nice guy. He's on the Talk Bass website a lot.


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 Post subject: Re: 100 Greatest Rock Bass Guitarists
PostPosted: Sat Jun 09, 2012 3:53 pm 
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Ariel wrote:
What if, for now, we reorder the 15-20 area as:

15. Phil Lesh
16. Jack Casady
17. Anthony Jackson
18. John Paul Jones
19. Tim Bogert
20. Billy Sheehan


What do you think of this Stu? (Putting aside the Bootsy issue for a moment)


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 Post subject: Re: 100 Greatest Rock Bass Guitarists
PostPosted: Sat Jun 09, 2012 4:04 pm 
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Ariel wrote:
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What if, for now, we reorder the 15-20 area as:

15. Phil Lesh
16. Jack Casady
17. Anthony Jackson
18. John Paul Jones
19. Tim Bogert
20. Billy Sheehan


What do you think of this Stu? (Putting aside the Bootsy issue for a moment)
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 Post subject: Re: 100 Greatest Rock Bass Guitarists
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Awesome! Changing it to that ranking on the first page, woot

EDIT: And...done. Sorry DJ...problem with being a mod is you can't please everyone :sad:


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 Post subject: Re: 100 Greatest Rock Bass Guitarists
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Stu if you modded this list where would you put Boots?


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 Post subject: Re: 100 Greatest Rock Bass Guitarists
PostPosted: Sat Jun 09, 2012 8:41 pm 
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Ariel wrote:
Stu if you modded this list where would you put Boots?


I'd say low 30's...


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 Post subject: Re: 100 Greatest Rock Bass Guitarists
PostPosted: Sun Jun 10, 2012 1:45 am 
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I heard from Babbitts wife Ann today. Bob is receiving excellent care and is putting up one hell of a fight. Bless them all.


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 Post subject: Re: 100 Greatest Rock Bass Guitarists
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Ariel wrote:
Awesome! Changing it to that ranking on the first page, woot

EDIT: And...done. Sorry DJ...problem with being a mod is you can't please everyone :sad:


It's ok Ariel, I guess being a mod is not easy at all but JPJ vs Casady/Lesh needs to be more deeply analyzed imo.


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 Post subject: Re: 100 Greatest Rock Bass Guitarists
PostPosted: Sun Jun 10, 2012 10:07 am 
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D.J. wrote:
Ariel wrote:
Awesome! Changing it to that ranking on the first page, woot

EDIT: And...done. Sorry DJ...problem with being a mod is you can't please everyone :sad:


It's ok Ariel, I guess being a mod is not easy at all but JPJ vs Casady/Lesh needs to be more deeply analyzed imo.


Me thinks there's already enough on this topic for a Doctoral thesis at Julliard...


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 Post subject: Re: 100 Greatest Rock Bass Guitarists
PostPosted: Sun Jun 10, 2012 12:59 pm 
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Me thinks there's already enough on this topic for a Doctoral thesis at Julliard...


Maybe we should go into deep meditation on this to come up with an answer. :lol:


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 Post subject: Re: 100 Greatest Rock Bass Guitarists
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StuBass wrote:
D.J. wrote:
Ariel wrote:
Awesome! Changing it to that ranking on the first page, woot

EDIT: And...done. Sorry DJ...problem with being a mod is you can't please everyone :sad:


It's ok Ariel, I guess being a mod is not easy at all but JPJ vs Casady/Lesh needs to be more deeply analyzed imo.


Me thinks there's already enough on this topic for a Doctoral thesis at Julliard...


I was referreing to JPJ being lower than Casady and Lesh, what do you think about that?


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 Post subject: Re: 100 Greatest Rock Bass Guitarists
PostPosted: Sun Jun 10, 2012 1:49 pm 
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D.J. wrote:
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D.J. wrote:
Ariel wrote:
Awesome! Changing it to that ranking on the first page, woot

EDIT: And...done. Sorry DJ...problem with being a mod is you can't please everyone :sad:


It's ok Ariel, I guess being a mod is not easy at all but JPJ vs Casady/Lesh needs to be more deeply analyzed imo.


Me thinks there's already enough on this topic for a Doctoral thesis at Julliard...


I was referreing to JPJ being lower than Casady and Lesh, what do you think about that?


JPJ is an excellent player and quite iconic. I don't think however that those factors will overcome the recent love affair with Leshady around these parts.


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 Post subject: Re: 100 Greatest Rock Bass Guitarists
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StuBass wrote:
Ariel wrote:
Stu if you modded this list where would you put Boots?


I'd say low 30's...


Okay that's totally biased

StuBass wrote:
I heard from Babbitts wife Ann today. Bob is receiving excellent care and is putting up one hell of a fight. Bless them all.


:smile: Bless them indeed

D.J. wrote:
Ariel wrote:
Awesome! Changing it to that ranking on the first page, woot

EDIT: And...done. Sorry DJ...problem with being a mod is you can't please everyone :sad:


It's ok Ariel, I guess being a mod is not easy at all but JPJ vs Casady/Lesh needs to be more deeply analyzed imo.


Casady and Lesh both win influence and innovation and creativity. They're also both considerably more important to the history of rock bass.


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 Post subject: Re: 100 Greatest Rock Bass Guitarists
PostPosted: Mon Jun 11, 2012 3:09 pm 
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Okay we can't ignore the Bootsy thing forever. As a mod I have to adjudicate.

Our friend with the Bootsy avatar and I both think Bootsy is top 20 or (in his case) top 10.

As a compromise I've suggested we slot him for now one spot ahead of Hamm. I actually think that would be a pretty good spot for him (#23) since there's no reasonable way IMO you could argue Hamm is greater than Boots, but Boots' relative flash/lack of substance (as Stu has pointed out) kind of disqualifies him on a musicians list from being in the elite part of the list I think. Graham and probably Johnson are more important in the history of funk bass (you could even argue Odom is), and Stu is right that in terms of creativity Boots is probably nothing too special if you take his effects pedals away (I don't think creativity with effects in the equation is inferior at all to creativity without effects in the equation, but if someone NEEDS effects to be creative, that does say something I think). Most of Boots' influence comes from his self promotion and image, his own brilliant marketing of himself as Mr Funk Bass. His major claim to fame if you remove all that is his pioneering effects use, which is very important, but not on the level of a Lesh/Casady given that Casady and others already were pioneering effects use before Boots came along.

Happy?


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 Post subject: Re: 100 Greatest Rock Bass Guitarists
PostPosted: Mon Jun 11, 2012 3:42 pm 
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Casady and Lesh both win influence and innovation and creativity. They're also both considerably more important to the history of rock bass.


I don't think they beat JPJ on influence and especially on creativity...just take a listen to JPJ solo work and you'll realize it.


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