I think there's a lot of bullshit in that post. Boring rap elitism. Jay is a certified top 10 rapper for me. Kool G could definitely beat him on this list, but it's hardly an open and shut case.
This is laughable to say the very least. Have you ever even listened to Kool G Rap's catalogue? Forget his whole catalogue, his albums '4,5,6' and 'Roots Of Evil' alone are 100 times better than anything Jay-Z ever came up with in his life. I said it in my original post on page 3 - come up with the best Jay-Z compilation you can, highlighting all his best stuff as an emcee, it can be as many songs as you'd like - and I'll throw up 5 G Rap songs that bury it. Some of you are going on about how maybe his lyrics might be lacking but his flow and delivery make up for it. Well I'm talking about the whole package here - not just lyrics - but being a complete emcee. What you write and
how you delivery it. The areas which some of you claim to be Jigga's strong points are in fact his flaws. Jay-Z's flow and his delivery have been his biggest flaws for well over a decade now - in so many cases it's downright laughable. Haha, tada, papa.
These are the areas that guys like G Rap put him to shame the most. 6 word slow bars and rhyming words that don't even exist are about the lamest things that ever happened to hip-hop and Jay-Z is so guilty of it. And as for the whole influence thing - it's always about how he started the whole mafioso / don thing on Reasonable Doubt. Has nobody ever heard Cuban Linx, only one of the greatest albums ever? Done first and done 10 times better. Or how about 'Live and Let Die' - which was released in '92!
Jay-Z isn't fit to wipe G Rap's ass (or almost half of the other guys' on this list) - end of story.
At the very least the guy needs to be underneath Big L. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OYfKMIdoJL0
Embarrassing. And that's Jay-Z before the fame and the money took away his skill.
The problem with these discussions is that way too many people who don't have the listening experience or knowledge want to come around acting like their favourite artists are the best. We got Jay-Z groupies who have only listened to 10 others albums by 10 other artists in hip-hop trying to tell true hip-hop heads the way things are. Man, hip-hop is my life. For close to 2 decades I've been devouring this stuff. The good, the bad, and the ugly. I've listened to thousands of albums tens of thousands of times. I'm not trying to say my word is the be all and end all - it's not - but there are some statements being made on here that are straight up blasphemous to anybody
who really knows hip-hop. Nobody can try to tell me that Jay-Z is anywhere near KGR's level because anybody who appreciates hip-hop and has listened to even half of the stuff I have knows better and wouldn't dare. Better than Big L? KRS? Em'? Pun and Monche? All the Wu-Tang dudes - Deck and GZA? Give your heads a shake or start studying. There are 100 dudes like R.A. the Rugged Man you've probably never even heard of who have been out-gunning him for years. The only thing he did better than these men was sell records - and that has nothing to do with the topic of discussion.
No more empty statements - some of you guys need to start backing your talk and provide some substance to your posts. Until then - opinions like these are hysterical and I'm questioning your basis and general hip-hop knowledge and intelligence. No list on this site can be perfect because there are so many fine lines when trying to define these sorts of things and seperate the best from the next best. But there are alot of really great ones on this site that are well done due to the contributions of many knowledgeable people. It's a shame that this one, and alot of the hip-hop ones in general, are downright awful.