The Big 3 Of "Evil" Metal

ClashWho · **Joined:** Mon Oct 11, 2010 5:45 pm **Posts:** 19297

Negative Creep wrote:

Fate mostly played a much slower and more menacing style of metal.

I have to agree, since most of their songs are about breaking boulders.

dreamcoil · **Posted:** Thu May 24, 2012 12:01 pm

+1 to you

corrections · **Joined:** Thu Oct 07, 2010 8:11 pm **Posts:** 14776

invertt wrote:

corrections wrote:

Negative Creep wrote:

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No. It's Venom who started that trend and who is the most cited. MF don't really have a Black Metal aesthetic to them at all (which is a more stripped down sound with hints of punk).

I already said that Venom were largely the ones who started the trend. Selective reading much?
And MF don't have to actually BE a black metal band themselves to have influence on the genre. If I said otherwise, then I'm wrong, but I don't think I did.

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As for the similarities in Venom's sound they're there.

The only similarities are that they're both metal bands and they both write lyrics about Satan. That's about as far as it goes.
The punk influence in Venom's music is so apparent that I dont know how you could miss it.

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Mercyful Fate sounds far more thrash than Black Metal (excluding lyrical content which is really the least important part of the Black Metal sound).

Which songs? Granted, they played some fast tunes, but I would never consider them thrash.

I think I should just stop this discussion right now because I've just remembered that you're impossible to convince of any view you don't already hold. The punk influence in Venom's music is irrelevant to the sound. Mercyful Fate's music is not of the blazing speed thrash variety but is well within the genres normal conventions. I mean Satan's Fall is a thrash song with lyrics about satan. I don't know how you think that isn't a thrash song. In any case they don't sound very Black Metal so I don't know why you'd consider them that.

You can deny the huge influence Mercyful Fate had on early Black Metal, but that doesn't mean it does not exist. Do a little black metal history research, and you will find them mentioned often with high regard for their influence. True, they don't sound very black metal by today's standards, but that is not the point. The point is apparently lost on you.

Let's see we can take my approach which is listening to the sound. Or we can take your approach which is credited influence. I'm not denying that bands credit them as an influence. I don't doubt the case. When I say they are of secondary importance though what I mean is that had they enver existed it is very unlikely that Black Metal would be any different at all because they did not innovate sonically in a way that greatly impacted how Black Metal bands sound. I'm not saying they are without influence. I'm saying that their influence is not essential or of great importance in the grand scheme of things (particularly if we move the discussion from just black metal to all of metal).

Led for your Head · **Posted:** Thu May 24, 2012 9:25 pm

ClashWho wrote:

Negative Creep wrote:

Fate mostly played a much slower and more menacing style of metal.

I have to agree, since most of their songs are about breaking boulders.

Fine and dandy, but what of the tortoise and the clock?! Which band best represents this style of metal?

ClashWho · **Joined:** Mon Oct 11, 2010 5:45 pm **Posts:** 19297

I think that story largely failed, due to a lack of menace.

Negative Creep · **Joined:** Tue Oct 12, 2010 5:21 pm **Posts:** 11747

I'm left humbled by your superior debating tactics.

Sodacake · **Posted:** Fri May 25, 2012 10:17 pm

People in glass houses shouldn't throw stones.

Negative Creep · **Joined:** Tue Oct 12, 2010 5:21 pm **Posts:** 11747

That's very profound.

Sodacake · **Posted:** Sat May 26, 2012 6:01 pm

Shut the fuck up.

Cripplers Quest · **Joined:** Tue Aug 02, 2011 7:14 pm **Posts:** 2160

Which metal drummer tinkers most menacingly with the dark arts of abyssal rhythym?

Negative Creep · **Joined:** Tue Oct 12, 2010 5:21 pm **Posts:** 11747

pgm · **Posted:** Sat May 26, 2012 8:52 pm

Sodacake wrote:

People in glass houses shouldn't throw stones.

...should dress in basement.

Sodacake · **Posted:** Sat May 26, 2012 10:04 pm

Paulie · **Posted:** Sun May 27, 2012 12:56 am

Cripplers Quest wrote:

Which metal drummer tinkers most menacingly with the dark arts of abyssal rhythym?

Tudwell · **Joined:** Wed Oct 13, 2010 11:06 am **Posts:** 4138

Cripplers' posts in this thread are golden.

The Big 3 Of "Evil" Metal

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