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 Post subject: Re: 100 Greatest NBA Basketball Players
PostPosted: Fri Feb 10, 2012 1:41 am 
What? I'm just sayin'.


Oh.....Chris Paul is the best PG since Magic Johnson. There I said it.


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 Post subject: Re: 100 Greatest NBA Basketball Players
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Interesting.


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 Post subject: Re: 100 Greatest NBA Basketball Players
PostPosted: Fri Feb 10, 2012 4:24 pm 
C'mon man, one word?

Bold statements FTW!!! :zoid:


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 Post subject: Re: 100 Greatest NBA Basketball Players
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pgm wrote:
So, Kobe vs. Duncan. I'm leaning towards Kobe. Their peaks are about equal, but Kobe's has lasted a bit longer (which has been a surprise to me--I thought for sure he'd have hit a wall by now).

I'm going to take a fresh look at the whole thing. I'm kind of comfortable with the top 12, though (with a possible change on Kobe's placement).


Garnett over Dirk still?


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pave wrote:
i think it sucks. but then again, i think any attempt at arbitrarily weighting individual (flawed) statistics into one giant combination that is supposed to show overall efficiency is kind of stupid to begin with. how much is a rebound worth? how much is a steal worth relative to a block or 2 points? how much does a foul hurt?

i generally don't like any combination of stats. i like specific individual stats. if you are going to combine them, don't make it arbitrary. don't combine blocks with points. maybe give me "points per possession used" that would take into account all field goal attempts, free throw attempts, and turnovers. or give me a "turnover differential" that accounts for turnovers forced vs turnovers given. but trying to combine them all? pointless and stupid imo.


I think the weights given to the stats are related to their correlation to wins. However, I agree PER is flawed not the least because it can't account for defense.


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I still hate the bashing Kobe gets. Shaq won those 3 titles....Gasol won the other 2.

Take Kobe completely off of those 5 championship teams and see what the results are.



Sorry just had to bring that up real quick.


The Lakers still probably win a couple with Shaq. They don't win any with Gasol.


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 Post subject: Re: 100 Greatest NBA Basketball Players
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George wrote:
has jeremy lin done enough to guarantee immortality on a list such as this? he has played better this season than either vince carter or tracy mcgrady, who are ranked 89 and 58, respectively... though not better than dwight howard... just being realistic. so i'm proposing lin is placed in the 56-58 range.

since he started to get meaningful minutes, his numbers are 25.3ppg, 8.3apg, 3.7rpg, 1.7spg, with 58% FG%. those are mvp-caliber stats, and every nba mvp ever has made it on the list. secondly, he is the greatest asian basketball player ever, only rivaled by yao ming (whose career best year of 25.0ppg can barely touch lin's), so he gets major props for cultural impact, too. he is also a proven winner, since his team is 3-0 when he gets meaningful playing time. in fact, that winning percentage is better than bill russell's :!:

humor me...


Is this a facetious April fools day like post or are you being serious (I think the former for the record but just in case...Lin isn't half the player Yao Ming is and doesn't have 1/10th of the cultural impact.)?


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 Post subject: Re: 100 Greatest NBA Basketball Players
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no april fools - that post was made in early february.
and now we have an even bigger sample size to prove that he is one of the very greatest nba players ever.


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Garnett over Dirk still?


Probably not, but I'd have to give it a bunch of thought.


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George wrote:
no april fools - that post was made in early february.
and now we have an even bigger sample size to prove that he is one of the very greatest nba players ever.


Well I'm still pretty sure you're being facetious.


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 Post subject: Re: 100 Greatest NBA Basketball Players
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Black Zeppelin wrote:
I still hate the bashing Kobe gets. Shaq won those 3 titles....Gasol won the other 2.

Take Kobe completely off of those 5 championship teams and see what the results are.



Sorry just had to bring that up real quick.


The Lakers still probably win a couple with Shaq. They don't win any with Gasol.


correct.

still, kobe is the greater player.


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 Post subject: Re: 100 Greatest NBA Basketball Players
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i'd also have hakeem listed as the best center in the post-kareem nba.


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 Post subject: Re: 100 Greatest NBA Basketball Players
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OK, Kobe Bryant vs. Tim Duncan. All time, who's greater?


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 Post subject: Re: 100 Greatest NBA Basketball Players
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Hard, but I'd say Kobe.


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