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PostPosted: Mon Apr 30, 2012 2:41 am 
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Btw, who do the USA pick in their World Baseball Classic team? Any major league players? I note Japan have won both tournaments and the US have placed no better than 4th so assume it's no where near your top players.

This is the tournament to make big along with some additional international series against major rivals in the between years. The USA and Japan could play for the Pacific Cup for example.

But anyway, I think it would have a good hope at growing given the multiculturalism of MLB. And look at basketball...it's now a legitimate international sport where there are a number of teams who are competitive with the USA, even a full strength USA on their day.


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PostPosted: Mon Apr 30, 2012 6:54 am 
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Americans take the Ryder Cup fairly seriously. We send our very best to that. And it gets oddly feisty, for golf.

http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/sport/ ... 6336580405
Oakland Athletics ... the Major League Baseball team has three Australians on their roster (24 April)


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PostPosted: Mon Apr 30, 2012 9:58 am 
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MintCondition wrote:
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As has been consistently demonstrated you understand literally nothing about the sport or how it is played.


Actually I do know some things about baseball and how it is played, which is completely obvious in every post I've made. Your statement is literally an exaggeration.

/corrections mode.


I direct you to the cracked.com article on foolish grammatical mistake corrections (literally is hyperbole).


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PostPosted: Mon Apr 30, 2012 10:00 am 
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MintCondition wrote:
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Corrections, you are too funny. You're like a spell checker. You pick up all mistakes but have no sense for when they're intentional.

Of course I know very, very little about baseball. I don't follow it, never have, never played it etc. I've watched the odd game and themed movie or documentary on tv so I know the basics of the game, a little of its history and how it works but that's it. Almost everything I've written that you've seemed to take to task has been said in jest and is intentionally quite ridiculous. I believe I've made this completely obvious so your effort in 'correcting' it is very funny. If you can't tell that my bringing up Dave Nilsson's stats at one olympic games, and then randomly trying to compare that with Babe Ruth's record at the olympics (which I obviously know is both non-existent and unimportant) is in jest, then I just don't know what to say. It's just a laugh mate. Still why do you have to put a downer on the great man Dave dominating at the olympics? He stepped up at an important time. That's what good players do...or do you believe all streaks are random and basically down to luck? He actually quit MLB so he could play in that Olympic games too, so he sacrificed a lot to represent his country.

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A one off match tells you literally nothing about quality in baseball.


The fact any single baseball game can be won by a vastly inferior team is what would make a one off game very exciting, don't you get that? It's the same with soccer. The bigger the game, the more pressure to perform, the more interesting to watch. What player's going to have greater glory, the one who plays well throughout a world series, or the one who plays average but pulls off the match winning play in game 7? Of course a teams quality or a player's quality is judged over their long term performance, but one off matches that mean a lot is one of the things that makes sport so compelling.


One game in baseball can be very exciting but only with context. Baseball must be played in series to have real meaning (and even then it doesn't). As far as hot streaks yes most hot streaks are randomness.


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PostPosted: Mon Apr 30, 2012 10:01 am 
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MintCondition wrote:
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Cuba's players aren't professionals. Whenever they become professionals (i.e. defect) they never go back. Do you know anything about how olympic hockey used to work? The USSR counted as "amateurs" because they were technically employed as soldiers not athletes. Congrats on demonstrating a complete inability to grasp the concept. Communist country athletes are always amateurs.


Cheers...that was the part I was genuinely curious about and no I didn't know how olympic hockey used to work. Congratulations on successfully correcting me on one thing I actually didn't know. I just figured all the best Cuban players would play in MLB and still represent their country when possible. So would you have a rough idea of what percentage of their players who could make it in the MLB decide not to go so they can play for Cuba?


Cuban players can't do both (for the same reason that players for the USSR couldn't play in America). Politics.


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Krym wrote:
http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/sport/more-sports/the-aussie-triple-play/story-e6frey6i-1226336580405
Oakland Athletics ... the Major League Baseball team has three Australians on their roster (24 April)


Yeah I saw that in the paper. The A's just signed Brandon Inge though so Hughes probably isn't long for the majors.

Australian All-Time Team, with fWAR:

SS Craig Shipley -1.3
3B Glenn Williams 0.3
RF Chris Snelling 0.3
C Dave Nilsson 11.6
CF Trent Oeltjen 0.3
1B Luke Hughes 0.3
LF Justin Huber -1.0
2B Trent Durrington -1.8
SP Ryan Rowland-Smith 1.0
CL Grant Balfour 4.7
SU Graeme Lloyd 4.3
MR Peter Moylan 2.4


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 Post subject: Re: MLB.
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Now there's a team that would dominate baseball. If anyone would have put that team together it would have been like Moneyball * 1000. The 1998 yankees wouldn't have a chance against that side.

Any good players ever come out of the UK or New Zealand?


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MintCondition wrote:
Now there's a team that would dominate baseball. If anyone would have put that team together it would have been like Moneyball * 1000. The 1998 yankees wouldn't have a chance against that side.

Any good players ever come out of the UK or New Zealand?


The only "New Zealander" is Scott Richmond who was actually born and raised in Canada (his father is from NZ), and who isn't of any significance. (Further evidence that New Zealand is the worst fucking country in the world.)

There were a fair number of ballplayers born in England during the 19th century, the most notable of whom was Harry Wright - son of a cricket pro! - who along with his brother George (born in the US) founded the Cincinnati Red Stockings, the first pro baseball team, in 1869. There have been only six born after 1900, though. The most notable of those by far was Danny Cox, a starting pitcher for the Cardinals and Blue Jays among others from 1983-95 (but I don't know if he was English, per se; he went to college in Alabama).


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PostPosted: Mon Apr 30, 2012 10:16 pm 
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The only "New Zealander" is Scott Richmond who was actually born and raised in Canada (his father is from NZ), and who isn't of any significance. (Further evidence that New Zealand is the worst fucking country in the world.)


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There were a fair number of ballplayers born in England during the 19th century, the most notable of whom was Harry Wright - son of a cricket pro! - who along with his brother George (born in the US) founded the Cincinnati Red Stockings, the first pro baseball team, in 1869. There have been only six born after 1900, though. The most notable of those by far was Danny Cox, a starting pitcher for the Cardinals and Blue Jays among others from 1983-95 (but I don't know if he was English, per se; he went to college in Alabama).


Excellent, so another sport we can add to the list where Australia >>> England. It's also on the list of sports England invented but are rubbish at. It might be number 1 on that list actually as they are probably just slightly less rubbish at cricket, rugby and soccer.


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 Post subject: Re: MLB.
PostPosted: Mon Apr 30, 2012 10:24 pm 
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I direct you to the cracked.com article on foolish grammatical mistake corrections (literally is hyperbole).


Ha! Well I'll be damned. I bet you were feeling really gay with yourself after pointing that out!

...

And that is why cracked.com and the dictionary are wrong and can get fucked!


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 Post subject: Re: MLB.
PostPosted: Mon Apr 30, 2012 10:29 pm 
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MintCondition wrote:
It's also on the list of sports England invented but are rubbish at.


It definitely is not. Leaving aside that the Wrights were raised in the US (and George was born here) Alexander Cartwright, who actually drew up the rules of the game in 1845, was born and bred in New York City. It was derived from rounders but baseball was its own game from the beginning.


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PostPosted: Mon Apr 30, 2012 11:19 pm 
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Oh c'mon, 'rounders' in england was early baseball. It's the main ideas behind the sport. Rugby as it is now looks almost nothing like it did back in the day, and cricket is quite a lot different too. Certainly no less different than baseball is to early english baseball. And besides, 'which one of its main sports was actually invented in America?' is a question I've heard more than once in quiz shows or trivia nights. The answer is basketball.

But I guess it just depends when you say life begins!!


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 Post subject: Re: MLB.
PostPosted: Tue May 01, 2012 12:19 am 
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MintCondition wrote:
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Corrections, you are too funny. You're like a spell checker. You pick up all mistakes but have no sense for when they're intentional.

Of course I know very, very little about baseball. I don't follow it, never have, never played it etc. I've watched the odd game and themed movie or documentary on tv so I know the basics of the game, a little of its history and how it works but that's it. Almost everything I've written that you've seemed to take to task has been said in jest and is intentionally quite ridiculous. I believe I've made this completely obvious so your effort in 'correcting' it is very funny. If you can't tell that my bringing up Dave Nilsson's stats at one olympic games, and then randomly trying to compare that with Babe Ruth's record at the olympics (which I obviously know is both non-existent and unimportant) is in jest, then I just don't know what to say. It's just a laugh mate. Still why do you have to put a downer on the great man Dave dominating at the olympics? He stepped up at an important time. That's what good players do...or do you believe all streaks are random and basically down to luck? He actually quit MLB so he could play in that Olympic games too, so he sacrificed a lot to represent his country.

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A one off match tells you literally nothing about quality in baseball.


The fact any single baseball game can be won by a vastly inferior team is what would make a one off game very exciting, don't you get that? It's the same with soccer. The bigger the game, the more pressure to perform, the more interesting to watch. What player's going to have greater glory, the one who plays well throughout a world series, or the one who plays average but pulls off the match winning play in game 7? Of course a teams quality or a player's quality is judged over their long term performance, but one off matches that mean a lot is one of the things that makes sport so compelling.


One game in baseball can be very exciting but only with context. Baseball must be played in series to have real meaning (and even then it doesn't). As far as hot streaks yes most hot streaks are randomness.

Agreed here. Out of all the major sports I think the playoffs tells you the least about who the best team is in baseball.


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"cricket ... may have developed out of ancient bat-and-ball games from the Greater Punjab ("Doab") region of the Indian subcontinent straddling North India and Pakistan, which travelled through Persia by the 8th century or earlier. In this, cricket could have behaved like two other imports into Europe from the Indian subcontinent certainly did, at about the same time--- Chess, the board game of the India, (and gypsies). ... In the 8th century, the monk Eustatius Cardonius was demonstrating a new bat-and-ball sport he had picked up from further east, to a conclave of cardinals in Florence, Italy. By the 9th century, bat-and-ball games looking somewhat like cricket were being played in Italy, and also in Spain and Portugal. ... As the Church expanded into the British Isles, these sporting activities entered Ireland and then Britain. " :godsave:


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