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 Post subject: Re: Best Vocal Performances By Greatest Rock Vocalists
PostPosted: Sat Feb 11, 2012 8:46 pm 
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Nice, liking it very much.

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Kurt Cobain
Studio:
1. School
2. Smells Like Teen Spirit
3. Sliver
4. Heart Shaped Box
5. Aneurysm
6. Lounge Act
7. You Know You're Right
8. About a Girl
9. Lithium
10. Pennyroyal Tea


Interesting, but not really accurate, imo.
Big Long Now is probably his most impressive vocal performance. I linked it a few times before, it's fucking awesome.
Pennyroyal Tea is either #1 or #2. It's by far his most passionate performance in the studio and he rarely ever sustained notes like that.
Sliver and Lithium don't need to be there at all, imo. Better choices: Stay Away, Something In The Way, Big Cheese.
And for the live list, um, DIMENSION 7!!!



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 Post subject: Re: Best Vocal Performances By Greatest Rock Vocalists
PostPosted: Mon Feb 13, 2012 2:22 pm 
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Cobain: redux:

1. Big Long Now
2. Pennyroyal Tea
3. Frances Farmer Will Have Her Revenge On Seattle
4. Aneurysm
5. Mr. Moustache
6. Milk It
7. Sappy
8. You Know You're Right
9. Smells Like Teen Spirit
10. Stain

LIVE:
1. Dimension-7 (BBC session 1990)
2. Lake Of Fire (Unplugged)
3. Where Did You Sleep Last Night (Unplugged)
4. Pennyroyal Tea (Unplugged)
5. Plateau (Unplugged)


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 Post subject: Re: Best Vocal Performances By Greatest Rock Vocalists
PostPosted: Mon Feb 13, 2012 2:43 pm 
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I disagree with some of your choices, some good names there though:

Kurt Cobain
Studio:
1. School
2. Big Long Now
3. Smells Like Teen Spirit
4. Pennyroyal Tea
5. Sliver
6. Heart Shaped Box
7. You Know You're Right
8. About a Girl
9. Lithium
10. Aneurysm

Live:
1. Lake of Fire (MTV Unplugged '93)
2. Dimension-7 (BBC session '90)
3. Heart-Shaped Box (MTV Live and Loud, Seattle '93)
4. Where Did You Sleep Last Night (MTV Unplugged '93)
5. The Man Who Sold the World (MTV Unplugged '93)


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 Post subject: Re: Best Vocal Performances By Greatest Rock Vocalists
PostPosted: Mon Feb 13, 2012 2:52 pm 
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Timitzii wrote:
I disagree with some of your choices, some good names there though:

Kurt Cobain
Studio:
1. School
2. Big Long Now
3. Smells Like Teen Spirit
4. Pennyroyal Tea
5. Sliver
6. Heart Shaped Box
7. You Know You're Right
8. About a Girl
9. Lithium
10. Aneurysm

Live:
1. Lake of Fire (MTV Unplugged '93)
2. Dimension-7 (BBC session '90)
3. Heart-Shaped Box (MTV Live and Loud, Seattle '93)
4. Where Did You Sleep Last Night (MTV Unplugged '93)
5. The Man Who Sold the World (MTV Unplugged '93)


Why do you think School is #1? It's my favorite riff of his, and a face-melter of a song in general, but as a vocal performance? I'm not seeing it.
And there's no way Teen Spirit is a better vocal performance than Pennyroyal Tea. It isn't even close.
I'm not seeing anything special in Sliver or Lithium either...Frances Farmer is so much more impressive than both of those, with that great raspy sustain...

The live list is tough, but I'm willing to go along with that.
I would easily put D-7 at #1, but either way it looks good.


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 Post subject: Re: Best Vocal Performances By Greatest Rock Vocalists
PostPosted: Mon Feb 13, 2012 3:01 pm 
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Negative Creep wrote:
Why do you think School is #1? It's my favorite riff of his, and a face-melter of a song in general, but as a vocal performance? I'm not seeing it.


It just has some of his most powerful singing in it, lost of powerful B4s and all. He sounds very good in it too. I'm not sure if I'm right, but I recall Sir agreeing about it being one of Cobain's best.

Negative Creep wrote:
And there's no way Teen Spirit is a better vocal performance than Pennyroyal Tea. It isn't even close.


"Smells Like Teen Spirit" requires more control, features a wider range shown and generally sounds better with Cobain's highs being much more powerful in it.

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I'm not seeing anything special in Sliver or Lithium either...Frances Farmer is so much more impressive than both of those, with that great raspy sustain...


"Lithium" is like "Frances Farmer Will Have Her Revenge on Seattle", just with a much more impressive rasping technique. Cobain's rasp technique is actually pretty impressive in it. He never nailed the sound live, iirc. (And I have yet to hear somebody nail the sound in general)

Negative Creep wrote:
The live list is tough, but I'm willing to go along with that.
I would easily put D-7 at #1, but either way it looks good.


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 Post subject: Re: Best Vocal Performances By Greatest Rock Vocalists
PostPosted: Mon Feb 13, 2012 3:03 pm 
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I don't hear anything impressive in Lithium or Heart-Shaped Box either.


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 Post subject: Re: Best Vocal Performances By Greatest Rock Vocalists
PostPosted: Mon Feb 13, 2012 4:15 pm 
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It just has some of his most powerful singing in it, lost of powerful B4s and all. He sounds very good in it too. I'm not sure if I'm right, but I recall Sir agreeing about it being one of Cobain's best.


He isn't doing anything there that he doesn't do better in countless other tunes. Even Mr. Moustache, from the same album, is more consistently impressive.
And just because they're B4's I dont think means anything.
Big Long Now has much more variety, with the contrasting vocal styles in the verses and choruses, and is just as intense and powerful.

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"Smells Like Teen Spirit" requires more control, features a wider range shown and generally sounds better with Cobain's highs being much more powerful in it.


If there is wider range shown, it isn't by much at all. If anything, he goes lower in Pennyroyal Tea, so it all balances out.
And control? No way, SLTS is just reckless rock screaming. Nothing 'controlled' about it.

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"Lithium" is like "Frances Farmer Will Have Her Revenge on Seattle", just with a much more impressive rasping technique. Cobain's rasp technique is actually pretty impressive in it. He never nailed the sound live, iirc. (And I have yet to hear somebody nail the sound in general)


He's doing more difficult things in Frances Farmer though, like actually sustaining those raspy notes, instead of just briefly hitting them.
"I miss the comfort in beeeing saaaaaaaaaaaaaaad"...


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 Post subject: Re: Best Vocal Performances By Greatest Rock Vocalists
PostPosted: Mon Feb 13, 2012 4:18 pm 
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Negative Creep wrote:
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"Smells Like Teen Spirit" requires more control, features a wider range shown and generally sounds better with Cobain's highs being much more powerful in it.


If there is wider range shown, it isn't by much at all. If anything, he goes lower in Pennyroyal Tea, so it all balances out.
And control? No way, SLTS is just reckless rock screaming. Nothing 'controlled' about it.


Rock screaming requires control too, you won't just hit those notes all of sudden.

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"Lithium" is like "Frances Farmer Will Have Her Revenge on Seattle", just with a much more impressive rasping technique. Cobain's rasp technique is actually pretty impressive in it. He never nailed the sound live, iirc. (And I have yet to hear somebody nail the sound in general)


He's doing more difficult things in Frances Farmer though, like actually sustaining those raspy notes, instead of just briefly hitting them.
"I miss the comfort in beeeing saaaaaaaaaaaaaaad"...
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Nah, I love "Frances Farmer Will Have Her Revenge on Seattle" but that isn't the better performance out of the two.


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 Post subject: Re: Best Vocal Performances By Greatest Rock Vocalists
PostPosted: Mon Feb 13, 2012 10:18 pm 
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Eh, I really dont agree. Should we wait for other opinions?


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 Post subject: Re: Best Vocal Performances By Greatest Rock Vocalists
PostPosted: Tue Feb 14, 2012 3:42 am 
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If smells like teen spirit is a good performance by him, then i really dont think there's much he has to offer. its a pretty meh performance, i agree with neg and sherick, and no way is it a top 3 cobain performance. Even All Apologies has better singing than that song , much better


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 Post subject: Re: Best Vocal Performances By Greatest Rock Vocalists
PostPosted: Tue Feb 14, 2012 8:03 am 
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Thank you.
'Sall I'm sayin'.

Now Tim gets to be the underdog for a change (instead of me)... :lol:


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 Post subject: Re: Best Vocal Performances By Greatest Rock Vocalists
PostPosted: Tue Feb 14, 2012 9:45 am 
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Fine, "Smells Like Teen Spirit" still belongs in the list though. (Maybe lower half?)


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 Post subject: Re: Best Vocal Performances By Greatest Rock Vocalists
PostPosted: Tue Feb 14, 2012 10:00 am 
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Lower half sounds better.

Also, Big Long Now > School.
Sorry Tim, but I'd like to think that I know Kurt more than anyone else here.....I know his vocals.

1. Big Long Now
2. Pennyroyal Tea
3. Frances Farmer Will Have Her Revenge On Seattle
4. Aneurysm
5. Mr. Moustache
6. School
7. Even In His Youth
8. You Know You're Right
9. Smells Like Teen Spirit
10. All Apologies


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 Post subject: Re: Best Vocal Performances By Greatest Rock Vocalists
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Well, Timi did make his range video


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 Post subject: Re: Best Vocal Performances By Greatest Rock Vocalists
PostPosted: Tue Feb 14, 2012 2:36 pm 
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Negative Creep wrote:
Lower half sounds better.

Also, Big Long Now > School.
Sorry Tim, but I'd like to think that I know Kurt more than anyone else here.....I know his vocals.

1. Big Long Now
2. Pennyroyal Tea
3. Frances Farmer Will Have Her Revenge On Seattle
4. Aneurysm
5. Mr. Moustache
6. School
7. Even In His Youth
8. You Know You're Right
9. Smells Like Teen Spirit
10. All Apologies


Heart Shaped Box > All Apologies
Lithium > FFWHHROS

Also, you are overrating "Pennyroyal Tea". "School" is easily better than it.


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