Thanks Africa, and thanks also for your comments in the solo piano thread.
I don't find that Liszt's Dante symphony is generally considered all that great a symphony, not on a scale of top 100 of all time. In fact, I will soon extend this list to 120, and it looks to me like there are more than 20 symphonies that would be better choices to add. And with the list already including 9 Mahler Symphonies, 5 Bruckner symphonies, and a Franck symphony, I'd say the list already does a lot of respectful nodding to Wagner's influence.
Below are the 20 symphonies I propose to add. I primarily looked for what I thought were the symphonies most recognized for their excellence, but when in doubt, I generally went for symphonies by composers not already on the list. In tentative order, the 20 are:
Symphony No. 2 in E flat major – Edward Elgar
Symphony No. 99 in E flat major – Joseph Haydn
Symphony No. 5 in D minor "Reformation" – Felix Mendelssohn
Symphony in C – Igor Stravinsky
Symphony No. 96 in D major “Miracle” – Joseph Haydn
Symphony No. 3 – Roy Harris
Symphony No. 2 “The Age of Anxiety” – Leonard Bernstein
Symphony in B flat major – Ernest Chausson
Symphony No. 6 “Fantaisies symphoniques” – Bohuslav Martinu
Symphony No. 2 – Michael Tippett
Symphony No. 3 in A minor – Sergei Rachmaninoff
Symphony No. 3 “Symphonie liturgique” – Arthur Honegger
Symphony No. 83 in G minor “Poule” – Joseph Haydn
Symphony for Chamber Orchestra – Anton Webern
Symphony No. 6 in A major – Anton Bruckner
Symphony No. 2 “Romantic” – Howard Hanson
Symphony No. 3 in C major – Jean Sibelius
Symphony No. 6 in E flat minor – Serge Prokofiev
Symphony No. 4 – Alexander Glazunov
Symphony No. 3 in C minor “Le Divin Poeme” – Alexander Scriabin
There's a good chance that 2 of the first 3 will edge into the lower part of the top 100, and Shostakovich 14 will probably drop into the 101-120 range.
There were 9 others that I thought were very close, and am willing to consider substituting for some of the above works. Except for Honegger, all of the composers below already have at least 3 symphonies on the list, which is part of why I am inclined to leave them out. Roughly in order, these other 9 are:
Symphony No. 4 in C minor "Tragic" – Franz Schubert
Symphony No. 6 in B minor – Dmitri Shostakovich
Symphony No. 31 in D major "Paris" – Wolfgang Amadeus Mozart
Symphony No. 2 “The Four Temperaments” – Carl Nielsen
Symphony No. 6 in D minor – Jean Sibelius
Symphony No. 2 for String Orchestra – Arthur Honegger
Symphony No. 15 in A major – Dmitri Shostakovich
Symphony No. 3 in D major – Franz Schubert
Symphony No. 3 in D minor "Wagner" – Anton Bruckner
I'm also willing to consider a good case made for a minor change to the upper part of the list, but I'm primarily interested in the additions to the list. Thoughts?
I disagree with you on whether Liszt's Dante Symphony is as you say "not considerd all that great"
Yes, it's not included in most orchestral repertories today, but was in the 19th century.
Even Beethoven's 9th was controversial because of his innovation of adding a choral movement into a symphony just as Liszt did with his Dante Symphony and look where Ludwig Van's 9th stands today !
I guess I'm biased, I love the Dante work...much too underrated today. I'm doing my part to elevate its status for modern audiences and perhaps it will be appreciated like Beethoven's only choral symphony as well
I know it's a long shot, but what the heck...I gave it a shot.
Article from Britain's Guardian:
Completed in 1856, Liszt's Dante Symphony is one of the most talked-about 19th-century scores, but one of the least frequently played. Controversy still rages over the ending.....http://www.guardian.co.uk/music/2009/ju ... cbs-chorus
Yes, you're right, there is enough there on the list that was influenced by Wagner.
I must admit that I'm not familiar with a lot of works on the list so I can't comment on many of the others. So much music and so little time to take it all in. There's alot there to start sampling. Keep up the good work.