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 Post subject: Re: Greatest Rap/Hip-Hop Songs
PostPosted: Fri Nov 05, 2010 3:35 am 
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And, of course, I don't completely discredit popularity; I just don't use it as a catch-all. There has to be some consideration for songs that are more definitive/important. "California Love" is Pac's most popular song, but as someone who's written about/interviewed affiliates of 2Pac and who followed dude's career from the beginning, I KNOW that that is not his greatest song in terms of impact on hip hop. Not even close. That's the double-edged sword with hip hop; a lot of the more popular songs aren't the ones that hold the most weight. They just had the most 'crossover' appeal. But God knows, we need to stop overpraising mediocre hip hop solely for its crossover appeal. We don't do it with any other genre.

That's also why "Walk This Way" isn't in the top ten; it's barely even a hip hop track and it's significance is solely based on the fact that it got white rock fans into a genre they might not have paid attention to otherwise. This is notable, but it should not automatically warrant a Top Ten placement. Again, for no other genre would our standards be so low.


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 Post subject: Re: Greatest Rap/Hip-Hop Songs
PostPosted: Sun Nov 07, 2010 4:37 pm 
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stereowilliams wrote:
"It's either 'Changes' or 'Big Poppa'"

You cats laugh at 'Juicy' and then call me 'elitist.' Then you submit a tacky piece of posthumous horseshit like 'Changes.' A song that any real 2Pac fan recognizes for what it is: a cheesy attempt to cash in on a dead man's legacy. Recycled verses and a corny 80s sample does not a great song make.

I say again--EVERYONE knows the first verse of 'Juicy.' It's a genre-defining song.

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THe bolded is simply an opinion. You don't deserve to be editing this list if THAT is how you go about things. That is probably Pac's most influential and best known lyric not to mention his most widely accepted song, stylistically. You can fabricate facts from opinions all you'd like but you are never going to get around the fact that Changes is the one hip hop song EVERYONE knows the hook, piano line and probably at least a few spits from. Juicy, however, has almost faded into antiquity with those under 25... Perhaps the US is a little late catching up but ill be butt-fucked if this list is based solely on US reputations.

The bolder and italics is absolute, and utter horseshit.


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 Post subject: Re: Greatest Rap/Hip-Hop Songs
PostPosted: Sun Nov 07, 2010 4:40 pm 
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stereowilliams wrote:
, but as someone who's written about/interviewed affiliates of 2Pac and who followed dude's career from the beginning, I KNOW that




Oh.... i see.... :lol: Well, LOL keep on keeping on gertrude.








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 Post subject: Re: Greatest Rap/Hip-Hop Songs
PostPosted: Wed Nov 10, 2010 12:17 pm 
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in what fucking world is jesus walks the #12 rap song of all time?


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 Post subject: Re: Greatest Rap/Hip-Hop Songs
PostPosted: Fri Nov 19, 2010 8:21 pm 
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 Post subject: Re: Greatest Rap/Hip-Hop Songs
PostPosted: Wed Mar 23, 2011 11:05 am 
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n.y. state of mind?


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 Post subject: Re: Greatest Rap/Hip-Hop Songs
PostPosted: Tue Aug 02, 2011 3:30 am 
Either my eyes are playing tricks on me or Gin and Juice by Snoop Dogg isn't even in the top 100. Why?

Also his rap name isn't Snoop Doggy Dogg, it's Snoop Dogg.


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 Post subject: Re: Greatest Rap/Hip-Hop Songs
PostPosted: Fri Aug 05, 2011 1:12 am 
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I Get Around is the greatest Tupac song.


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 Post subject: Re: Greatest Rap/Hip-Hop Songs
PostPosted: Fri Aug 05, 2011 1:16 am 
Taro wrote:
I Get Around is the greatest Tupac song.


It's not his most meaningful though (of course). I don't think it's his greatest. Thank god someone finally commented in this thread. :smile:


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 Post subject: Re: Greatest Rap/Hip-Hop Songs
PostPosted: Fri Aug 05, 2011 5:57 am 
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Am I mistaken or Snoop Dogg really stole lyrics from The Message in 2 of Amerikaz Most Wanted?

"Keep my hand on my gun 'cuz they got me on the run"


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 Post subject: Re: Greatest Rap/Hip-Hop Songs
PostPosted: Fri Aug 05, 2011 7:50 pm 
This list will never be complete without Gin and Juice.


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 Post subject: Re: Greatest Rap/Hip-Hop Songs
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Destroyer wrote:
Also his rap name isn't Snoop Doggy Dogg, it's Snoop Dogg.


The list editor is going by what Snoop Dogg was called back then on his records, "Snoop Doggy Doggy."


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 Post subject: Re: Greatest Rap/Hip-Hop Songs
PostPosted: Wed Dec 21, 2011 3:04 pm 
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How could somebody argue with Jesus Walks at 12! You know how bad rap was in the early 2000's? Extremely bad. West revived rap. The dude might be a jerk, but he is without a doubt the best rapper of this era. New Eminem is just terrible.


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 Post subject: Re: Greatest Rap/Hip-Hop Songs
PostPosted: Tue Dec 27, 2011 9:22 pm 
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Didn't know Chicago is considered the west these days, but noted. Also, i don't agree with your point that Kanye "revived" rap


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 Post subject: Re: Greatest Rap/Hip-Hop Songs
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Didn't know Chicago is considered the west these days, but noted.


:lol: looked over this at first.


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