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 Post subject: Greatest Alternative Rock Sub Genre Artists
PostPosted: Thu Nov 24, 2011 10:37 pm 
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I will be constructing Top 10 lists for the following fifteen subgenres. The criteria is the same as the original Alternative artists page:

1980's College Rock
Alternative Dance/Dance Punk
Alternative Metal
Britpop
Dream Pop
Goth Rock
Grunge
Indie Pop/Twee Pop
Lo-Fi
Neo Psychedelia
Noise Rock
Post-Grunge
Post Punk
Post-Rock
Shoegazing

Any help would be greatly appreciated. Please remember: To match the Prog Rock subgenre page, these lists will feature only 10 artists; no more, no less.


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 Post subject: Re: Greatest Alternative Rock Sub Genre Artists
PostPosted: Fri Nov 25, 2011 7:59 am 
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Some suggestions:

Top 10 1980s College Rock Artists

1. R.E.M.
2. 10,000 Maniacs
3. Pixies
4. The Smiths
5. The Replacements
6. XTC
7. The Psychedelic Furs
8. Hüsker Dü
9. The B-52's
10. The Church

Top 10 Alternative Metal Artists

1. Faith No More
2. System of a Down
3. Rage Against the Machine
4. Tool
5. Alice in Chains
6. Jane's Addiction
7. Soundgarden
8. Deftones
9. Helmet
10. Primus

Top 10 Britpop Artists

1. Blur
2. Oasis
3. Pulp
4. Suede
5. Supergrass
6. The Verve
7. Ash
8. Ocean Colour Scene
9. Elastica
10. Manic Street Preachers

Top 10 Grunge Artists

1. Nirvana
2. Pearl Jam
3. Soundgarden
4. Alice in Chains
5. Stone Temple Pilots
6. Mudhoney
7. Mother Love Bone
8. Screaming Trees
9. Temple of the Dog
10. Green River

Top 10 Post-Grunge Artists

1. Foo Fighters
2. Nickelback
3. Matchbox Twenty
4. Creed
5. Collective Soul
6. 3 Doors Down
7. Bush
8. Alanis Morissette
9. Puddle of Mudd
10. Staind

How's that look?


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 Post subject: Re: Greatest Alternative Rock Sub Genre Artists
PostPosted: Fri Nov 25, 2011 3:47 pm 
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GlassJoe wrote:
Some suggestions:

Top 10 1980s College Rock Artists

1. R.E.M.
2. 10,000 Maniacs
3. Pixies
4. The Smiths
5. The Replacements
6. XTC
7. The Psychedelic Furs
8. Hüsker Dü
9. The B-52's
10. The Church


Huh. I really don't know what Piper meant by that category. I can certainly say that with the major exception of #8, this isn't what I thought of when I saw the category name. I'm looking at it based on the college radio I was familiar with at the time (I worked at WNUR in Chicago). These bands were mainstream enough to get played on commercial stations. I was going to suggest Sonic Youth as number one and Big Black high on the list.

But maybe either way the grouping is just too vague.


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 Post subject: Re: Greatest Alternative Rock Sub Genre Artists
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Brett Alan wrote:
Huh. I really don't know what Piper meant by that category. I can certainly say that with the major exception of #8, this isn't what I thought of when I saw the category name. I'm looking at it based on the college radio I was familiar with at the time (I worked at WNUR in Chicago). These bands were mainstream enough to get played on commercial stations. I was going to suggest Sonic Youth as number one and Big Black high on the list.

But maybe either way the grouping is just too vague.


"college rock" was a major and well known part in the history of Alternative radio.

Kind of surprised you consider R.E.M. "too mainstream" for such stations back then considering that for most of their early career, they heavily relied on college radio.

The B-52's and The Psychedelic Furs I don't see as being particularly "college rock". Maybe Camper Van Beethoven and Minutemen could go in their place. Or Sonic Youth.

Such stations - and the artists they played - are mentioned often in histories of alternative music. Check out this Wikipedia article and this Allmusic one as well.


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 Post subject: Re: Greatest Alternative Rock Sub Genre Artists
PostPosted: Fri Nov 25, 2011 9:34 pm 
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Brett Alan wrote:
I was going to suggest Sonic Youth as number one and Big Black high on the list.


Big Black wasn't college rock.

piper wrote:
The B-52's and The Psychedelic Furs I don't see as being particularly "college rock". Maybe Camper Van Beethoven and Minutemen could go in their place. Or Sonic Youth.


Allmusic labels both bands as college rock (2nd and 1st tier, respectively), but they could very well be replaced by Sonic Youth and Camper van Beethoven.

1. R.E.M.
2. 10,000 Maniacs
3. Pixies
4. The Smiths
5. The Replacements
6. XTC
7. Sonic Youth
8. Hüsker Dü
9. Camper van Beethoven
10. The Church

(Bubbling under: The Psychedelic Furs, The B-52's)

What do you think about the other list proposals, by the way?


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 Post subject: Re: Greatest Alternative Rock Sub Genre Artists
PostPosted: Fri Nov 25, 2011 10:05 pm 
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piper wrote:
Brett Alan wrote:
Huh. I really don't know what Piper meant by that category. I can certainly say that with the major exception of #8, this isn't what I thought of when I saw the category name. I'm looking at it based on the college radio I was familiar with at the time (I worked at WNUR in Chicago). These bands were mainstream enough to get played on commercial stations. I was going to suggest Sonic Youth as number one and Big Black high on the list.

But maybe either way the grouping is just too vague.


"college rock" was a major and well known part in the history of Alternative radio.

Kind of surprised you consider R.E.M. "too mainstream" for such stations back then considering that for most of their early career, they heavily relied on college radio.


Well, to an extent. At the same time, though, they were getting mainstream radio play. "Radio Free Europe" hit number 25 on the Billboard rock chart and made the Hot 100. By 1987 they were having top ten hits. At the college radio station I worked at, and the ones we considered our peers around the country, they were too mainstream and didn't get played.

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Such stations - and the artists they played - are mentioned often in histories of alternative music. Check out this Wikipedia article and this Allmusic one as well.


Neither of those give any sort of definition of what the term means. Clearly Tracy Chapman and Sonic Youth, who both appear on the Allmusic list, weren't part of the same genre, you know? Do you have a definition in mind?


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 Post subject: Re: Greatest Alternative Rock Sub Genre Artists
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GlassJoe wrote:
Brett Alan wrote:
I was going to suggest Sonic Youth as number one and Big Black high on the list.


Big Black wasn't college rock.


Why not? How do you define the term?


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 Post subject: Re: Greatest Alternative Rock Sub Genre Artists
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"Alternative rock music of the 80s before it was called "alternative", much of which relied heavily on college radio airplay" is a safe definition. It can of course be defined differently, but for me what it all comes down to is genre labelling conventions and to my knowledge the term "college rock" has seldom been used in describing Big Black. Even if it should be recognised as such, I don't think it really qualifies for this top 10.


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 Post subject: Re: Greatest Alternative Rock Sub Genre Artists
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Roughly, its any alternative rock artist who was popular from between the release of R.E.M. "Murmur" through the 1988 creation of the Modern Rock Tracks chart. All the artists from that time were all pigeonholed into college rock radio. Even Sting's early solo work.


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 Post subject: Re: Greatest Alternative Rock Sub Genre Artists
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Top 10 Slowcore artist
1. Red House Painters
2. Galaxie 500
3. Low
4. Smog
5. Cat Power
6. American Music Club
7. Carissa's Weird
8. Lisa Germano
9. Matt Elliott
10. Codeine


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 Post subject: Re: Greatest Alternative Rock Sub Genre Artists
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Shoegaze:
1. My Bloody Valentine
2. Slowdive
3. Ride
4. Jesus and Mary-Chain
5. The Verve
6. Lush
7. Catherine Wheel
8. Swervedriver
9. Pale Saints
10. Boo Radleys

Dream Pop:
1. Cocteau Twins
2. Slowdive (they're the best second best band of all time)
3. Yo La Tengo
4. The Chameleons
5. The Church
6. Flaming Lips
7. Mazzy Star
8. This Mortal Coil
9. The Sundays
10. Cranes

Slowcore:
1. Red House Painters
2. American Music Club
3. Low
4. Galaxie 500
5. Smog
6. Cat Power
7. Matt Elliot
8. Codeine
9. Lisa Germano
10. Idaho

Post-Punk:
1. Joy Division
2. Talking Heads
3. The Cure
4. Gang of Four
5. Television
6. Wire
7. Nick Cave and the Bad Seeds
8. The Fall
9. The Chameleons
10. Swans


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 Post subject: Re: Greatest Alternative Rock Sub Genre Artists
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Can someone at least say my lists suck? This site is so boring now.


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 Post subject: Re: Greatest Alternative Rock Sub Genre Artists
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Your lists suck.


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 Post subject: Re: Greatest Alternative Rock Sub Genre Artists
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GlassJoe wrote:

Top 10 Alternative Metal Artists

1. Faith No More
2. System of a Down
3. Rage Against the Machine
4. Tool
5. Alice in Chains
6. Jane's Addiction
7. Soundgarden
8. Deftones
9. Helmet
10. Primus



I'd say...

1. Soundgarden
2. Alice in Chains
3. Rage Against the Machine
4. Korn
5. Jane's Addiction
6. Faith No More
7. Tool
8. System of a Down
9. Deftones
10. Primus


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 Post subject: Re: Greatest Alternative Rock Sub Genre Artists
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Gotta ask about the placements of The J&MC and Television on their respective lists since I feel they should either be higher or not on their at all. Do you consider influences for the genres as well and do you substract some of their greatness because they were only influences? I fail to grasp the concept.


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