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 Post subject: Re: 100 Greatest Rock Music Artists Of The 1970's
PostPosted: Tue Jul 12, 2011 5:26 pm 
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Question. Would it be accurate to say that Zeppelin's singles that were released (all of them, both the '60s and '70s and '80s ones) were massive, #1-type hits generally? (I know a lot of Zep fans on the old Zep/Who thread were pushing this idea). I have no horse in this race, btw.


... generally Zeppelin singles that were released outside of the US did very well. Whole Lotta Love was #1 in a number of countries (Australia, Germany etc) #2 in Canada, #5 Switzerland and pretty well Top 10 everywhere else that had charts around the world (for example #6 in South Africa). Their remaining singles released in the 70`s were also hits in those same markets (one example the Immigrant Song was #7 in South Africa, #4 in Switzerland etc).... Take care


Whatever. The Who's cover of "Barbara Ann" went to #1 in the Netherlands, and no one should care.


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 Post subject: Re: 100 Greatest Rock Music Artists Of The 1970's
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ariel wrote:
Question. Would it be accurate to say that Zeppelin's singles that were released (all of them, both the '60s and '70s and '80s ones) were massive, #1-type hits generally? (I know a lot of Zep fans on the old Zep/Who thread were pushing this idea). I have no horse in this race, btw.


Led Zeppelin's six biggest USA hit singles:

Whole Lotta Love - #4
Black Dog - #15
Immigrant Song - #16
D'yer Mak'er - #20
Fool in the Rain - #21
Trampled Under Foot - #38

Stevie Wonder's six biggest USA hit singles:

Fingertips - Pt. 2 - #1
Superstition - #1
You Are the Sunshine of My Life - #1
I Wish - #1
Sir Duke - #1
I Just Called to Say I Love You - #1
Part-Time Lover - #1
That's What Friends Are For - #1

So, a pound-for-pound argument isn't going to work in Led Zeppelin's favor. Not when they're up against Stevie Wonder, anyway.


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 Post subject: Re: 100 Greatest Rock Music Artists Of The 1970's
PostPosted: Tue Jul 12, 2011 6:14 pm 
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And for the seventies it's:

Led Zeppelin's five biggest USA hits of the seventies

Black Dog - #15
Immigrant Song - #16
D'yer Mak'er - #20
Fool in the Rain - #21
Trampled Under Foot - #38

Stevie Wonder's five biggest USA hits of the seventies

Superstition - #1
You Are the Sunshine of My Life - #1
I Wish - #1
Sir Duke - #1
Signed, Sealed, Delivered I'm Yours - #3
Boogie On Reggae Woman - #3


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 Post subject: Re: 100 Greatest Rock Music Artists Of The 1970's
PostPosted: Tue Jul 12, 2011 6:53 pm 
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Brett Alan wrote:
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Wonder beats LZ by a huge margin in US singles, while LZ destroys Wonder in UK album sales...hmm...

Taro wrote:
Consequently...


Stevie Wonder wins.

Never. You mean Singles > Albums?


No, US Singles + US Albums + UK Singles > US Albums + UK Albums


... unless there is something missing the totals are in favour of Zeppelin and in the global sense of things Zeppelin by a wide margin ...Take care


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 Post subject: Re: 100 Greatest Rock Music Artists Of The 1970's
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ClashWho wrote:
gminer wrote:
ariel wrote:
Question. Would it be accurate to say that Zeppelin's singles that were released (all of them, both the '60s and '70s and '80s ones) were massive, #1-type hits generally? (I know a lot of Zep fans on the old Zep/Who thread were pushing this idea). I have no horse in this race, btw.


... generally Zeppelin singles that were released outside of the US did very well. Whole Lotta Love was #1 in a number of countries (Australia, Germany etc) #2 in Canada, #5 Switzerland and pretty well Top 10 everywhere else that had charts around the world (for example #6 in South Africa). Their remaining singles released in the 70`s were also hits in those same markets (one example the Immigrant Song was #7 in South Africa, #4 in Switzerland etc).... Take care


Whatever. The Who's cover of "Barbara Ann" went to #1 in the Netherlands, and no one should care.


... the Zep material is relevant as it removes the myth that Zep didn `t have singles impact around the world when they were mainly an album based band as were many of the 70`s supergroups ..... Take care


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 Post subject: Re: 100 Greatest Rock Music Artists Of The 1970's
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ClashWho wrote:
And for the seventies it's:

Led Zeppelin's five biggest USA hits of the seventies

Black Dog - #15
Immigrant Song - #16
D'yer Mak'er - #20
Fool in the Rain - #21
Trampled Under Foot - #38

Stevie Wonder's five biggest USA hits of the seventies

Superstition - #1
You Are the Sunshine of My Life - #1
I Wish - #1
Sir Duke - #1
Signed, Sealed, Delivered I'm Yours - #3
Boogie On Reggae Woman - #3


Stevie's "You Haven't Done Nothin'" also went to #1.


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 Post subject: Re: 100 Greatest Rock Music Artists Of The 1970's
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ClashWho wrote:
ariel wrote:
Question. Would it be accurate to say that Zeppelin's singles that were released (all of them, both the '60s and '70s and '80s ones) were massive, #1-type hits generally? (I know a lot of Zep fans on the old Zep/Who thread were pushing this idea). I have no horse in this race, btw.


Led Zeppelin's six biggest USA hit singles:

Whole Lotta Love - #4
Black Dog - #15
Immigrant Song - #16
D'yer Mak'er - #20
Fool in the Rain - #21
Trampled Under Foot - #38

Stevie Wonder's six biggest USA hit singles:

Fingertips - Pt. 2 - #1
Superstition - #1
You Are the Sunshine of My Life - #1
I Wish - #1
Sir Duke - #1
I Just Called to Say I Love You - #1
Part-Time Lover - #1
That's What Friends Are For - #1

So, a pound-for-pound argument isn't going to work in Led Zeppelin's favor. Not when they're up against Stevie Wonder, anyway.


... but it certainly does when albums are brought into the equation ... Take care


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 Post subject: Re: 100 Greatest Rock Music Artists Of The 1970's
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gminer wrote:
... the Zep material is relevant as it removes the myth that Zep didn `t have singles impact around the world when they were mainly an album based band as were many of the 70`s supergroups ..... Take care


Fair enough.


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 Post subject: Re: 100 Greatest Rock Music Artists Of The 1970's
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gminer wrote:
... unless there is something missing the totals are in favour of Zeppelin and in the global sense of things Zeppelin by a wide margin ...Take care


But you do realize that this website uses the US and UK charts alone to determine popularity, right?


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 Post subject: Re: 100 Greatest Rock Music Artists Of The 1970's
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Brian wrote:
Stevie's "You Haven't Done Nothin'" also went to #1.


Yeah, I didn't count it because it's a Jackson 5 collaboration. I also didn't mention "Ebony and Ivory". It's enough of a slaughter, anyway.


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 Post subject: Re: 100 Greatest Rock Music Artists Of The 1970's
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ClashWho wrote:
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... unless there is something missing the totals are in favour of Zeppelin and in the global sense of things Zeppelin by a wide margin ...Take care


But you do realize that this website uses the US and UK charts alone to determine popularity, right?


... yes but it certainly doesn`t mean other information can`t be brought forward for discussion ... or looking at other gauges such as concert size ... opening act status, sold out venues .... for example the biggest audience I believe SW had in the US during the 70`s was when he opened for the Stones but that is going by memory and musically SW`s material does not translate all that well to large venues so it is an apples and oranges comparison .... Take care


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 Post subject: Re: 100 Greatest Rock Music Artists Of The 1970's
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gminer wrote:
... but it certainly does when albums are brought into the equation ... Take care


It does?

Stevie Wonder's biggest seventies albums:

Talking Book - #3
Innervisions - #4
Fulfillingness' First Finale - #1
Songs in the Key of Life - #1
Journey Through the Secret Life of Plants - #4

He's much closer to Led Zeppelin in albums than Led Zeppelin is to Stevie in singles. At least when it comes to peak chart positions.


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 Post subject: Re: 100 Greatest Rock Music Artists Of The 1970's
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ClashWho wrote:
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Stevie's "You Haven't Done Nothin'" also went to #1.


Yeah, I didn't count it because it's a Jackson 5 collaboration. I also didn't mention "Ebony and Ivory". It's enough of a slaughter, anyway.


... what is the sales total for all these SW singles for the 70`s in the US ... would it be in the range of 3 to 4 million units? ... Take care


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 Post subject: Re: 100 Greatest Rock Music Artists Of The 1970's
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gminer wrote:
... what is the sales total for all these SW singles for the 70`s in the US ... would it be in the range of 3 to 4 million units? ... Take care


You aren't going to trot out the RIAA argument again, are you? Motown is notorious for neglecting certifications.


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 Post subject: Re: 100 Greatest Rock Music Artists Of The 1970's
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ClashWho wrote:
gminer wrote:
... but it certainly does when albums are brought into the equation ... Take care


It does?

Stevie Wonder's biggest seventies albums:

Talking Book - #3
Innervisions - #4
Fulfillingness' First Finale - #1
Songs in the Key of Life - #1
Journey Through the Secret Life of Plants - #4

He's much closer to Led Zeppelin in albums than Led Zeppelin is to Stevie in singles. At least when it comes to peak chart positions.


Zep had 27 weeks at #1 on the album charts v/s SW at 16 weeks .... Take care


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