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 Post subject: Re: 100 Greatest Rock Songs
PostPosted: Sat Jun 11, 2011 8:13 pm 
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Taro wrote:
Lady Gaga destroys Stairway in popularity, so what?

This is not an argument. There is no conceivable way that Gimme Shelter could be ahead of Sweet Child O' Mine.


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 Post subject: Re: 100 Greatest Rock Songs
PostPosted: Sun Jun 12, 2011 2:57 am 
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Taro wrote:
Brett Alan wrote:
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48. Sweet Child O' Mine - Guns N' Roses
126. Gimme Shelter - Rolling Stones

HAHAHAHAHAHA


It might be helpful to tell us what you're laughing about.

Since "Sweet" clearly destroys "Shelter" in popularity, I have a hard time seeing why "Shelter" should be above it, if that's what you mean to imply.

Lady Gaga destroys Stairway in popularity, so what?


That's not even remotely true. Not only is it an apples-to-oranges comparison (an artist versus a song), "Stairway" has huge popularity, greater than any Lady Gaga song.

Now, if you'd like to start behaving like an adult and discussing the lists in a reasonable way, please do. Right now you're just annoying people.


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 Post subject: Re: 100 Greatest Rock Songs
PostPosted: Sun Jun 12, 2011 3:02 am 
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Deany wrote:
Does this list even have criteria? It's not even consistent with the other songs lists! For example: A Day In The Life is at #7 and Hey Jude is at #23, but at the top 10 songs by Popular artists list collection, Hey Jude > A Day In The Life. I'm confused.

I say we start from scratch. Stairway stays at #1, though.


I don't think there's any need to scrap the list, but we can certainly discuss changes. The last time we revised the Beatles list, I made the argument that the top song should be a hit single because the Beatles were so big on the singles charts, and ADITL was somewhat represented by having Pepper atop their albums list, and I think that argument found some favor. Should that also apply to the songs' placing on the overall songs list? Interesting question.

Which gets back to the fact that as objective as we try to make things, ultimately different editors are going to draw different conclusions. It's the nature of the beast. I personally wouldn't rank ADITL as the highest-ranking Beatles song, but there's certainly a good case to be made--and I personally would rather have some contradictions among the different lists than to have one person exercise control over everything (or to have, say, a majority vote over everything), but I understand why some people feel differently about that, too.


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 Post subject: Re: 100 Greatest Rock Songs
PostPosted: Sun Jun 12, 2011 4:34 am 
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I can live with changes, but personally, I always thought this list looked a little messy. Stuff like You Shook Me All Night Long at #54, ...Teen Spirit and Yesterday in the 30's, things like that. I always thought the former wasn't great enough for top 100 and the two latter songs were top-20 material, but that's probably just me.


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 Post subject: Re: 100 Greatest Rock Songs
PostPosted: Sun Jun 12, 2011 7:55 am 
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List needs some hip hop.


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 Post subject: Re: 100 Greatest Rock Songs
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lew wrote:
273. Aenema - Tool
274. Suspicious Minds - Elvis Presley


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 Post subject: Re: 100 Greatest Rock Songs
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That's not hip hop. List needs hip hop.


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 Post subject: Re: 100 Greatest Rock Songs
PostPosted: Sun Jun 12, 2011 7:12 pm 
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I'm just sayin'.


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 Post subject: Re: 100 Greatest Rock Songs
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I know. Why is Ænima on the list at all?


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 Post subject: Re: 100 Greatest Rock Songs
PostPosted: Mon Jun 13, 2011 11:21 am 
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Yes, as much as I like Tool, I'm not sure any of their songs belong on this list. I certainly don't think Ænema is their greatest song either.

I agree that the list needs some hip hop, especially considering that the definition of rock we're working with here at DDD includes the genre as part of the rock umbrella.

We could add The Message and Nuthin' but a "G" Thang to the list, for starters.


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 Post subject: Re: 100 Greatest Rock Songs
PostPosted: Mon Jun 13, 2011 11:44 am 
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The Message needs to be top 100. Seriously. Other rap songs I might add are Rapper's Delight and Fight The Power. Maybe something by Tupac could make it too, but I don't know nearly enough hip-hop to really say anything.

On an unrelated note, A Day in the Life needs to drop off the top 10. It's probably the most acclaimed Beatles song, but not the greatest. That would be either Hey Jude or Yesterday (probably Hey Jude).


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 Post subject: Re: 100 Greatest Rock Songs
PostPosted: Mon Jun 13, 2011 12:53 pm 
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I'd have "Hey Jude" ahead of "Yesterday" because HJ is definitely rock, while "Yesterday" is considered rock just because The Beatles did it.

I think the reason why "Aenima" is on the list is that at one time it was very high on the '90s songs list, so it was included here to make this list kind of consistent with that one. I think "Jesus Christ Pose" is on the list for the same reason.


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 Post subject: Re: 100 Greatest Rock Songs
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What is Yesterday if not rock?


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 Post subject: Re: 100 Greatest Rock Songs
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"Yesterday" is pop or adult contemporary.

Another thing that I believe is completely missing from the list is disco. I'd say that at a minimum, "Stayin' Alive" by the Bee Gees and "I Will Survive" by Gloria Gaynor should be added.


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 Post subject: Re: 100 Greatest Rock Songs
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So disco is rock, but pop and country aren't?


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