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 Post subject: 100 Greatest Alternative Artists *NEW REVISION 7/5/2015*
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100 Greatest Alternative Artists
NEW REVISION: July 4, 2015
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Criteria: Artists are ranked by their influence, impact, and popularity. List includes alternative rock, post-punk and new wave artists, as well as artists in the various alternative rock subgenres (including - but not limited to - indie rock, Britpop, grunge, shoegazing, post rock, emo, alternative dance, goth rock and dream pop).

Bold denotes artist newly added to the list

1. R.E.M.
2. Nirvana
3. Talking Heads
4. The Smiths
5. Radiohead
6. Sonic Youth
7. U2
8. Elvis Costello & The Attractions
9. Joy Division
10. Pixies
11. The Cure
12. Pearl Jam
13. Red Hot Chili Peppers
14. The Replacements
15. Soundgarden
16. Kate Bush
17. Nine Inch Nails
18. Hüsker Dü
19. New Order
20. The Smashing Pumpkins
21. Depeche Mode
22. Fugazi
23. Pavement
24. Beck
25. Dinosaur Jr.
26. The Jesus and Mary Chain
27. Green Day
28. Alice in Chains
29. Weezer
30. Foo Fighters
31. Echo and the Bunnymen
32. Siouxsie and the Banshees
33. XTC
34. Wire
35. Oasis
36. My Bloody Valentine
37. Jane's Addiction
38. Blur
39. Bjork
40. Bauhaus
41. Tori Amos
42. The White Stripes
43. Morrissey
44. Public Image Ltd.
45. The Flaming Lips
46. Yo La Tengo
47. Violent Femmes
48. The Pretenders
49. Pulp
50. The Jam
51. Minutemen
52. Guided by Voices
53. Gang of Four
54. Hole
55. Liz Phair
56. Mudhoney
57. Cocteau Twins
58. No Doubt
59. Meat Puppets
60. Coldplay
61. Stone Temple Pilots
62. The Fall
63. PJ Harvey
64. Suede
65. The B-52's
66. Nick Cave and the Bad Seeds
67. Wilco
68. Belle and Sebastian
69. Sleater-Kinney
70. Faith No More
71. Superchunk
72. They Might Be Giants
73. Primal Scream
74. Modest Mouse
75. Squeeze
76. Manic Street Preachers
77. The Stone Roses
78. Linkin Park
79. 10,000 Maniacs
80. Jeff Buckley
81. Mission of Burma
82. Arcade Fire
83. The Psychedelic Furs
84. Midnight Oil
85. Fiona Apple
86. Queens of the Stone Age
87. Incubus
88. Elliott Smith
89. The Cranberries
90. Stereolab
91. The Go-Betweens
92. The Wedding Present
93. Teenage Fanclub
94. Beat Happening
95. Throwing Muses
96. Sloan
97. Galaxie 500
98. Muse
99. Let's Active
100. Sebadoh

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101. Built to Spill
102. Madness
103. Morphine
104. Redd Kross
105. The Specials
106. Camper Van Beethoven
107. This Mortal Coil
108. The Feelies
109. The dB's
110. Love and Rockets
111. Talk Talk
112. Ride
113. The Sisters of Mercy
114. The Pogues
115. Soda Stereo
116. The Lemonheads
117. The Church
118. Afghan Whigs
119. The Jesus Lizard
120. The Sugarcubes
121. The Chameleons
122. Neutral Milk Hotel
123. Killing Joke
124. Sinéad O'Connor
125. Lush
126. Mother Love Bone
127. Sunny Day Real Estate
128. Soul Asylum
129. The Birthday Party
130. The Happy Mondays
131. Garbage
132. The Alarm
133. The Strokes
134. Alanis Morissette
135. The Verve
136. Butthole Surfers
137. Spoon
138. The Breeders
139. Blink-182
140. Slowdive
141. Death Cab for Cutie
142. Super Furry Animals
143. Silverchair
144. Jimmy Eat World
145. Arctic Monkeys
146. Screaming Trees
147. The Sundays
148. The House of Love
149. Gorillaz
150. James
151. Kings of Leon
152. The Killers
153. Juliana Hatfield
154. Young Marble Giants
155. The Soft Boys
156. The Dismemberment Plan
157. Fall Out Boy
158. Franz Ferdinand
159. The Housemartins
160. Spiritualized
161. Blind Melon
162. The Black Keys
163. The Mountain Goats
164. Gene Loves Jezebel
165. The The
166. My Chemical Romance
167. fIREHOSE
168. Broken Social Scene
169. TV on the Radio
170. Slint
171. LCD Soundsystem
172. Yeah Yeah Yeahs
173. Gin Blossoms
174. Social Distortion
175. The Tragically Hip
176. Swans
177. Spacemen 3
178. Mogwai
179. Eels
180. Pylon
181. Green River
182. At the Drive-In
183. The Charlatans
184. Placebo
185. Red House Painters
186. The Magnetic Fields
187. Urge Overkill
188. Sublime
189. Magazine
190. Jawbox
191. The Smithereens
192. The Call
193. Big Black
194. Robyn Hitchcock
195. Paramore
196. Godspeed You! Black Emperor
197. Bush
198. Daniel Amos
199. Aimee Mann
200. Game Theory

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100 Greatest Influences on Alternative Music
Criteria: Includes which perform non-alternative genres (including some artists which pre-date the genre) which have had a noticeable and long-lasting influence on alternative rock music. Includes pre-alternative, 1970's punk, 1960's garage rock, protopunk, psychedelic rock, experimental music, alternative hip-hop, trip-hop and electronica artists. Artists are ranked by influence on alternative music, critical acclaim from alternative music publications and popularity within the alternative music culture and community. The list includes artists that predate the alternative music, as well as artists that are contemporaneous with the genre.

1. David Bowie
2. Velvet Underground
3. Neil Young
4. The Stooges
5. MC5
6. Patti Smith
7. Frank Zappa
8. Brian Eno
9. Scott Walker
10. Tom Waits
11. Ramones
12. The Sex Pistols
13. The Clash
14. Lou Reed
15. Iggy Pop
16. Television
17. Roxy Music
18. Jonathan Richman and the Modern Lovers
19. Pere Ubu
20. Blondie
21. The Sonics
22. New York Dolls
23. Big Star
24. Suicide
25. Can
26. Leonard Cohen
27. Kraftwerk
28. Captain Beefheart
29. Sparks
30. Love
31. Warren Zevon
32. Richard and Linda Thompson/Richard Thompson (solo)
33. Nick Drake
34. Glenn Branca
35. The Stranglers
36. Syd Barrett
37. Throbbing Gristle
38. Cheap Trick
39. Devo
40. Silver Apples
41. Black Flag
42. Buzzcocks
43. Beastie Boys
44. Dead Kennedys
45. The 13th Floor Elevators
46. Robert Wyatt
47. Nick Lowe
48. Portishead
49. This Heat
50. T. Rex
51. Richard Hell and the Voidoids
52. The Residents
53. The Seeds
54. Swell Maps
55. Cabaret Voltaire
56. The Damned
57. Todd Rundgren
58. Massive Attack
59. John Cale
60. The Red Crayola/Red Krayola
61. X
62. NRBQ
63. Stiff Little Fingers
64. The Undertones
65. Dr. Feelgood
66. Radio Birdman
67. The Slits
68. Hawkwind
69. The Cramps
70. Bad Brains
71. John Cooper Clarke
72. Graham Parker
73. Henry Cow
74. The Adverts
75. Brinsley Schwarz
76. John Cage
77. Herbie Hancock
78. The Prodigy
79. Laurie Anderson
80. Moby Grape
81. Squarepusher
82. Public Enemy
83. The Selecter
84. Negativland
85. Fatboy Slim
86. Tricky
87. De La Soul
88. Billy Bragg
89. Kirsty MacColl
90. DJ Shadow
91. The KLF
92. Faithless
93. Vic Chesnutt
94. The Pharcyde
95. The Art of Noise
96. Boards of Canada
97. Victoria Williams
98. Amy Winehouse
99. The Chemical Brothers
100. The Avalanches


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 Post subject: Re: 100 Greatest Alternative Artists
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Les Rallizes Denudes need to be on there somewhere in the top 100 I'd think. 150 at least. Predated a lot of music and did for Japan more than any other band until Boredoms. I can find vids if people want proof, but their influence is obvious if you just go to Youtube for 5 seconds and watch any of their videos.


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mizutani ftw


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 Post subject: Re: 100 Greatest Alternative Artists
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Slint, The Arcade Fire and Neutral Milk Hotel look far, far too low for me.

How are all those behind Coldplay, Mogwai, The Go-Betweeners, The White Stripes, The Church and Tortoise to name a few?


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 Post subject: Re: 100 Greatest Alternative Artists
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Yeah, seriously, for having a No. 1 album, Arcade Fire are not high enough.


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 Post subject: Re: 100 Greatest Alternative Artists
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To play the devil's advocate, Coldplay have massive popularity that those indie artists could never dream of touching, Mogwai were one of the first tr00 post-rock bands so they were crazy influential and even brought popularity to the genre before bands like Sigur Ros, The Go-Betweens again just have massive influence on their side, The White Stripes have popularity and acclaim unlike few modern bands today, The Church and Tortoise were mainly just incredibly influential.


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 Post subject: Re: 100 Greatest Alternative Artists
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Surely, we should be judging on Popularity amongst Alt. music fans rather than record sales though in regards to Popularity? Does basing it on record sales not kind of defeat the point of it being Alternative music?

Coldplay and The White Stripes are a greater artists than NMH, Slint or The Arcade Fire, but absolutely no way are they a greater Alternative artists.

Yes, Mogwai were one of the first post-rock bands, but Slint were the first. Slint are far more influential than Mogwai.

Yeah, the Church and Tortoise were influential, but not to the same extent as the three artist mentioned, neither do they have anywhere near the popularity amongst Alt music fans.


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 Post subject: Re: 100 Greatest Alternative Artists
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Yeah but it's a greatest list, so I assume the criteria is popularity and impact, something that all of those bands have a lot of one way or the other. And Slint, Arcade Fire and NMH really have one influential album to their name when these bands have discographies worth (Coldplay's debatable, and I don't really care where they end up). I'm just saying it's all justified.


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 Post subject: Re: 100 Greatest Alternative Artists
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But it's a greatest Alternative Artists list not a list of Greatest Artists who could be labelled as Alternative. So surely we should be trying to be basing it on Alternative music alone, so using record sales doesn't really make sense. Popularity should be based on Popularity from Alt. fans only, surely?


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If that's the route you wanna take, then most of the bands there would be off the list, which I'm cool with, but you'd basically have to rework the whole thing it seems like.


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I don't think the list needs major work, I just don't see how record sales should have much of an impact on this sort of list.

Fwiw also, I would have the top 15 as:

1. The Velvet Underground
2. David Bowie
3. Radiohead
4. R.E.M.
5. Pixies
6. Sonic Youth
7. Nirvana
8. Joy Division
9. Talking Heads
10. Television
11. The Smiths
12. Elvis Costello
13. The Stooges
14. The Cure
15. The Fall


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 Post subject: Re: 100 Greatest Alternative Artists
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I guess I'll have my take at it too then, I pretty much agree though.

1. The Velvet Underground
2. David Bowie
3. R.E.M.
4. Radiohead
5. Talking Heads
6. Pixies
7. Sonic Youth
8. The Smiths
9. Joy Division
10. U2
11. Iggy Pop & the Stooges
12. Nirvana
13. Brian Eno
14. Elvis Costello & the Attractions
15. Television
16. The Cure
17. MC5
18. Blondie
19. The Jesus and Mary Chain
20. Pavement


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 Post subject: Re: 100 Greatest Alternative Artists
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I see we both agree that Pixies are too low and Nirvana are too high. Anyone else feel the same?

Oh, and I love JAMC, they are one of my favourite bands and I think they are maybe a bit low on the original list, but no way should they be ahead of the Fall, as British alt. rock goes.


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I missed the Fall, you could put them in in Blondie's place.


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Skullkid disappeared off the face of the earth mid-revision earlier this year. I agree it could use some major work too.

Oh, as for the lack of punk bands? A user called dinss pitched a fit about including them, so we took all of them off to shut him up.


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