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 Post subject: 100 Greatest Alternative Artists *NEW REVISION 9/6/2014*
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100 Greatest Alternative Artists
NEW REVISION: September 6, 2014
Edited by: Piper

Criteria: Artists are ranked by their influence, impact, and popularity. List includes alternative rock, post-punk and new wave artists, as well as artists in the various alternative rock subgenres (including - but not limited to - indie rock, Britpop, grunge, shoegazing, post rock, emo, alternative dance, goth rock and dream pop).

Bold denotes artist newly added to the list

1. R.E.M.
2. Nirvana
3. Talking Heads
4. The Smiths
5. Radiohead
6. Sonic Youth
7. U2
8. Elvis Costello & The Attractions
9. Joy Division
10. Pixies
11. The Cure
12. Pearl Jam
13. Red Hot Chili Peppers
14. The Replacements
15. Soundgarden
16. Kate Bush
17. Nine Inch Nails
18. Hüsker Dü
19. New Order
20. The Smashing Pumpkins
21. Depeche Mode
22. Fugazi
23. Pavement
24. Beck
25. Dinosaur Jr.
26. The Jesus and Mary Chain
27. Green Day
28. Alice in Chains
29. Weezer
30. Foo Fighters
31. Echo and the Bunnymen
32. Siouxsie and the Banshees
33. XTC
34. Wire
35. Oasis
36. My Bloody Valentine
37. Blur
38. The Flaming Lips
39. Bjork
40. Jane's Addiction
41. Bauhaus
42. Public Image Ltd.
43. Tori Amos
44. Yo La Tengo
45. The White Stripes
46. Morrissey
47. Violent Femmes
48. Pulp
49. The Jam
50. Minutemen
51. Guided by Voices
52. Gang of Four
53. Hole
54. Liz Phair
55. Meat Puppets
56. Mudhoney
57. Coldplay
58. Stone Temple Pilots
59. No Doubt
60. The Fall
61. Elliott Smith
62. Cocteau Twins
63. PJ Harvey
64. Suede
65. Nick Cave and the Bad Seeds
66. Wilco
67. Belle and Sebastian
68. Sleater-Kinney
69. Faith No More
70. Superchunk
71. They Might Be Giants
72. Primal Scream
73. Modest Mouse
74. Squeeze
75. Manic Street Preachers
76. The Stone Roses
77. 10,000 Maniacs
78. Jeff Buckley
79. Arcade Fire
80. Mission of Burma
81. Beat Happening
82. Stereolab
83. The Psychedelic Furs
84. The Cranberries
85. The Go-Betweens
86. Sebadoh
87. Midnight Oil
88. Redd Kross
89. Let's Active
90. Throwing Muses
91. Madness
92. Queens of the Stone Age
93. Galaxie 500
94. Morphine
95. Fiona Apple
96. Built to Spill
97. The Wedding Present
98. Teenage Fanclub
99. The Specials
100. Sloan

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101. Camper Van Beethoven
102. The dB's
103. Talk Talk
104. Love and Rockets
105. The Soft Boys
106. This Mortal Coil
107. The Feelies
108. Muse
109. The Pogues
110. The Church
111. The Jesus Lizard
112. Lush
113. Ride
114. The Sugarcubes
115. The Chameleons
116. Afghan Whigs
117. Sisters of Mercy
118. Low
119. Neutral Milk Hotel
120. Killing Joke
121. Sunny Day Real Estate
122. The Birthday Party
123. The Happy Mondays
124. Swans
125. Robyn Hitchcock
126. The Dismemberment Plan
127. Mother Love Bone
128. Garbage
129. The Magnetic Fields
130. The Verve
131. The Charlatans
132. Magazine
133. The Alarm
134. Red House Painters
135. Soul Asylum
136. Spoon
137. Super Furry Animals
138. Arctic Monkeys
139. Orange Juice
140. Spiritualized
141. The Lemonheads
142. fIREHOSE
143. Gorillaz
144. The Strokes
145. Placebo
146. The Breeders
147. Slowdive
148. Big Black
149. Sinéad O'Connor
150. Franz Ferdinand
151. Butthole Surfers
152. Catherine Wheel
153. Green River
154. The House of Love
155. The Sundays
156. At the Drive-In
157. Screaming Trees
158. The Housemartins
159. Young Marble Giants
160. Godspeed You! Black Emperor
161. Juliana Hatfield
162. Fall Out Boy
163. The Black Keys
164. Jimmy Eat World
165. The The
166. Mogwai
167. Eels
168. Blind Melon
169. Blink-182
170. Pylon
171. Broadcast
172. Kings of Leon
173. James
174. Silverchair
175. My Chemical Romance
176. Alanis Morissette
177. Ween
178. Slint
179. The Mountain Goats
180. Gene Loves Jezebel
181. Soda Stereo
182. The Killers
183. Incubus
184. Broken Social Scene
185. TV on the Radio
186. Death Cab for Cutie
187. LCD Soundsystem
188. Yeah Yeah Yeahs
189. Spacemen 3
190. Urge Overkill
191. Sublime
192. Snow Patrol
193. Matthew Sweet
194. Jawbox
195. Gin Blossoms
196. The Smithereens
197. The Tragically Hip
198. The Call
199. Paramore
200. Social Distortion

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100 Greatest Influences on Alternative Music
Criteria: Includes which perform non-alternative genres (including some artists which pre-date the genre) which have had a noticeable and long-lasting influence on alternative rock music. Includes pre-alternative, 1970's punk, 1960's garage rock, protopunk, psychedelic rock, experimental music, alternative hip-hop, trip-hop and electronica artists. Artists are ranked by influence on alternative music, critical acclaim from alternative music publications and popularity within the alternative music culture and community. The list includes artists that predate the alternative music, as well as artists that are contemporaneous with the genre.

1. David Bowie
2. Velvet Underground
3. Neil Young
4. The Stooges
5. MC5
6. Patti Smith
7. Frank Zappa
8. Brian Eno
9. Scott Walker
10. Tom Waits
11. Ramones
12. The Sex Pistols
13. The Clash
14. Lou Reed
15. Iggy Pop
16. Television
17. Roxy Music
18. Jonathan Richman and the Modern Lovers
19. Pere Ubu
20. Blondie
21. The Sonics
22. New York Dolls
23. Big Star
24. Suicide
25. Can
26. Leonard Cohen
27. Kraftwerk
28. Captain Beefheart
29. Sparks
30. Love
31. Warren Zevon
32. Richard and Linda Thompson/Richard Thompson (solo)
33. Nick Drake
34. Glenn Branca
35. The Stranglers
36. Syd Barrett
37. Throbbing Gristle
38. Cheap Trick
39. Devo
40. Silver Apples
41. Black Flag
42. Buzzcocks
43. Beastie Boys
44. Dead Kennedys
45. The 13th Floor Elevators
46. Robert Wyatt
47. Nick Lowe
48. Portishead
49. This Heat
50. T. Rex
51. Richard Hell and the Voidoids
52. The Residents
53. The Seeds
54. Swell Maps
55. Cabaret Voltaire
56. The Damned
57. Todd Rundgren
58. Massive Attack
59. John Cale
60. The Red Crayola/Red Krayola
61. X
62. NRBQ
63. Stiff Little Fingers
64. The Undertones
65. Dr. Feelgood
66. Radio Birdman
67. The Slits
68. Hawkwind
69. The Cramps
70. Bad Brains
71. John Cooper Clarke
72. Graham Parker
73. Henry Cow
74. The Adverts
75. Brinsley Schwarz
76. John Cage
77. Herbie Hancock
78. The Prodigy
79. Laurie Anderson
80. Moby Grape
81. Squarepusher
82. Public Enemy
83. The Selecter
84. Negativland
85. Fatboy Slim
86. Tricky
87. De La Soul
88. Billy Bragg
89. Kirsty MacColl
90. DJ Shadow
91. The KLF
92. Faithless
93. Vic Chesnutt
94. The Pharcyde
95. The Art of Noise
96. Boards of Canada
97. Victoria Williams
98. Amy Winehouse
99. The Chemical Brothers
100. The Avalanches


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 Post subject: Re: 100 Greatest Alternative Artists
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Les Rallizes Denudes need to be on there somewhere in the top 100 I'd think. 150 at least. Predated a lot of music and did for Japan more than any other band until Boredoms. I can find vids if people want proof, but their influence is obvious if you just go to Youtube for 5 seconds and watch any of their videos.


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mizutani ftw


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 Post subject: Re: 100 Greatest Alternative Artists
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Slint, The Arcade Fire and Neutral Milk Hotel look far, far too low for me.

How are all those behind Coldplay, Mogwai, The Go-Betweeners, The White Stripes, The Church and Tortoise to name a few?


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 Post subject: Re: 100 Greatest Alternative Artists
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Yeah, seriously, for having a No. 1 album, Arcade Fire are not high enough.


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 Post subject: Re: 100 Greatest Alternative Artists
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To play the devil's advocate, Coldplay have massive popularity that those indie artists could never dream of touching, Mogwai were one of the first tr00 post-rock bands so they were crazy influential and even brought popularity to the genre before bands like Sigur Ros, The Go-Betweens again just have massive influence on their side, The White Stripes have popularity and acclaim unlike few modern bands today, The Church and Tortoise were mainly just incredibly influential.


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 Post subject: Re: 100 Greatest Alternative Artists
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Surely, we should be judging on Popularity amongst Alt. music fans rather than record sales though in regards to Popularity? Does basing it on record sales not kind of defeat the point of it being Alternative music?

Coldplay and The White Stripes are a greater artists than NMH, Slint or The Arcade Fire, but absolutely no way are they a greater Alternative artists.

Yes, Mogwai were one of the first post-rock bands, but Slint were the first. Slint are far more influential than Mogwai.

Yeah, the Church and Tortoise were influential, but not to the same extent as the three artist mentioned, neither do they have anywhere near the popularity amongst Alt music fans.


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 Post subject: Re: 100 Greatest Alternative Artists
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Yeah but it's a greatest list, so I assume the criteria is popularity and impact, something that all of those bands have a lot of one way or the other. And Slint, Arcade Fire and NMH really have one influential album to their name when these bands have discographies worth (Coldplay's debatable, and I don't really care where they end up). I'm just saying it's all justified.


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 Post subject: Re: 100 Greatest Alternative Artists
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But it's a greatest Alternative Artists list not a list of Greatest Artists who could be labelled as Alternative. So surely we should be trying to be basing it on Alternative music alone, so using record sales doesn't really make sense. Popularity should be based on Popularity from Alt. fans only, surely?


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If that's the route you wanna take, then most of the bands there would be off the list, which I'm cool with, but you'd basically have to rework the whole thing it seems like.


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I don't think the list needs major work, I just don't see how record sales should have much of an impact on this sort of list.

Fwiw also, I would have the top 15 as:

1. The Velvet Underground
2. David Bowie
3. Radiohead
4. R.E.M.
5. Pixies
6. Sonic Youth
7. Nirvana
8. Joy Division
9. Talking Heads
10. Television
11. The Smiths
12. Elvis Costello
13. The Stooges
14. The Cure
15. The Fall


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 Post subject: Re: 100 Greatest Alternative Artists
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I guess I'll have my take at it too then, I pretty much agree though.

1. The Velvet Underground
2. David Bowie
3. R.E.M.
4. Radiohead
5. Talking Heads
6. Pixies
7. Sonic Youth
8. The Smiths
9. Joy Division
10. U2
11. Iggy Pop & the Stooges
12. Nirvana
13. Brian Eno
14. Elvis Costello & the Attractions
15. Television
16. The Cure
17. MC5
18. Blondie
19. The Jesus and Mary Chain
20. Pavement


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 Post subject: Re: 100 Greatest Alternative Artists
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I see we both agree that Pixies are too low and Nirvana are too high. Anyone else feel the same?

Oh, and I love JAMC, they are one of my favourite bands and I think they are maybe a bit low on the original list, but no way should they be ahead of the Fall, as British alt. rock goes.


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I missed the Fall, you could put them in in Blondie's place.


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 Post subject: Re: 100 Greatest Alternative Artists
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Skullkid disappeared off the face of the earth mid-revision earlier this year. I agree it could use some major work too.

Oh, as for the lack of punk bands? A user called dinss pitched a fit about including them, so we took all of them off to shut him up.


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