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 Post subject: Re: 150 Greatest Rock Drummers
PostPosted: Thu Apr 19, 2012 10:02 pm 
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Negative Creep wrote:
Yeah this is all very tough. How do you choose between Carey and Aldridge? Imo...

Influence - Aldridge
Originality - Aldridge barely
Creativity - Carey barely
Innovation - Aldridge
Skill - Carey
Stylistic Versatility - Carey

By that, they tie. So tie-breaker goes to influence, would you agree with that?

Also, recommendations for Purdie's best material?


I'd tie originality and creativity, it's hard to go either way. No one play like Carey. Many attribute him only to Bozzio, the most unique drummer of all, and yet Carey claims he developed his style out of Bruford....so that goes to show how original it ended up being. He clearly took only polyrhythms and decided to make everything else his own. I'd say they are both towards the top of originality. Same with creativity. I can't really give either a victory. Regardless, Aldrige would win it.


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 Post subject: Re: 150 Greatest Rock Drummers
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Nah I'd give creativity to Carey. Sure Aldridge came up with those double bass patterns, which figures into innovation, but he didn't utilize them very heavily. Actually, most of them can be found only in his solos. Carey is far more creative in a song-to-song basis. He never plays two the same. I'd say very few rival him in that aspect.


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 Post subject: Re: 150 Greatest Rock Drummers
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Nah I'd give creativity to Carey. Sure Aldridge came up with those double bass patterns, which figures into innovation, but he didn't utilize them very heavily. Actually, most of them can be found only in his solos. Carey is far more creative in a song-to-song basis. He never plays two the same. I'd say very few rival him in that aspect.


I can agree with that as well, I hold Carey at the peak of creativity, even above Aldridge, but I don't know enough about Aldridge yet to side so I tied them for there. Since you know your Aldridge I'd be more than happy to agree, I just didn't want to list a win based on my uneducated bias.

SO we have:

Influence: Aldridge
Innovation: Aldridge
Originality: Tie
Creativity: Carey
Skill: Carey
Stylistic Versatility: Carey

that's 4 vs. 4, and influence is the tie breaker so Aldridge still wins. Any objections?


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 Post subject: Re: 150 Greatest Rock Drummers
PostPosted: Fri Apr 20, 2012 5:47 am 
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isn't Vinnie Colaiuta considered rock ? otherwise he's should be!!!!


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 Post subject: Re: 150 Greatest Rock Drummers
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Vinnie is a 'jack of all trades', so it's hard to say. He's one of those ecelctic artists that's very hard to pigeonhole into one specific genre. Because he's done everything.

But I wouldn't see any reason not to consider him rock. Certainly Zappa was rock, just an unusual form of it... :lol:


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 Post subject: Re: 150 Greatest Rock Drummers
PostPosted: Fri Apr 20, 2012 11:16 am 
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well I guess he would be top 20-25 then if we include him


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 Post subject: Re: 150 Greatest Rock Drummers
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Well he would kill everyone in versatility and skill (only Bruford is close to him as far as rock guys go).
But influence? I dont know.
Seems to me like he scores decently, but not remarkably, in innovation/creativity/originality.


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 Post subject: Re: 150 Greatest Rock Drummers
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No Barriemore Barlow? :sad:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5cLDlqoTU8U


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 Post subject: Re: 150 Greatest Rock Drummers
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If Vinnie is primarily non rock, which my impression is he is, or if he's ambiguously rock probably best to keep him caged in the all genre list

And yea I want Barriemore too! He's so good


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 Post subject: Re: 150 Greatest Rock Drummers
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CRJ how are you envisioning this (teens) stretch of the list ending up right now, if you don't mind my asking? Like a rough idea of how it'll be ordered or something


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 Post subject: Re: 150 Greatest Rock Drummers
PostPosted: Sat Apr 21, 2012 12:55 am 
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I would envision something like this...

11. Purdie
12. Aldridge
13. Lombardo
14. Carey
15. Appice
16. E. Palmer
17. Benjamin
18. Copeland
19. Ward


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 Post subject: Re: 150 Greatest Rock Drummers
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has anyone read this book ?

http://books.google.be/books?id=bJGsMxY ... &q&f=false


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 Post subject: Re: 150 Greatest Rock Drummers
PostPosted: Sat Apr 21, 2012 9:26 am 
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Something like that, except Porcaro and Copeland ahead of Benjamin.


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 Post subject: Re: 150 Greatest Rock Drummers
PostPosted: Sun Apr 22, 2012 8:38 pm 
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So something like...

11. Purdie
12. Aldridge
13. Lombardo
14. Carey
15. Appice
16. E. Palmer
17. Porcaro
18. Copeland
19. Benjamin
20. Ward

???

If so...

I definitely have been convinced that Purdie deserves 11. Aldridge at 12 seems strange to me since despite my belief that people tend to undervalue indirect influence, that's pretty much his main claim to fame, no? I can't see Lombardo dropping below 13 (I'll fight for this one, dammit), Carey at 14 is good, Appice and Earl next is great, and shit, I can't complain about the rest either. Though having Mr Aldridge ahead of the FIRST metal dude by that many spots does seem strange to me..


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 Post subject: Re: 150 Greatest Rock Drummers
PostPosted: Sun Apr 22, 2012 8:48 pm 
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Ariel wrote:
So something like...

11. Purdie
12. Aldridge
13. Lombardo
14. Carey
15. Appice
16. E. Palmer
17. Porcaro
18. Copeland
19. Benjamin
20. Ward

???

If so...

I definitely have been convinced that Purdie deserves 11. Aldridge at 12 seems strange to me since despite my belief that people tend to undervalue indirect influence, that's pretty much his main claim to fame, no? I can't see Lombardo dropping below 13 (I'll fight for this one, dammit), Carey at 14 is good, Appice and Earl next is great, and shit, I can't complain about the rest either. Though having Mr Aldridge ahead of the FIRST metal dude by that many spots does seem strange to me..


Research suggest that Aldrige has nearly as much direct influence in his day as Lombardo in his prime, though Lombardo's has stretched much larger with time and double bass playing becoming progressively faster. But yeah Aldridge seems to be very very influential.


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