Not to be pushy, but I feel pretty f'n strongly about NOT including Gadd on this list. This is a ROCK list and he's exclusively known for his jazz work right? It doesn't matter if he's done rock sessions here and there. There's always been an unspoken rule on DDD afaik that if you lean very heavily toward jazz generally speaking or your famous or great work is in jazz, you don't make it on to the rock instrumentalist lists. Let me give you an example. Jaco Pastorius did some very significant, groundbreaking, highly acclaimed and very famous work with Joni Mitchell. Rock. In the 80s.
And it doesn't matter. Why? Because that's still an incredibly flimsy argument for Mr. modern jazz bass himself to make it onto a rock list. He was a jazz (fusion) bassist who dabbled occasionally in rock. If I'm right that Gadd is similar, putting him on this list would set a bad precedent and cause all kinds of problems, basically opening a can of worms of 'oh shit why not add Vinnie too, and Steve Smith? They also did significant rock work'
I do NOT mean to encroach on CRJ's authority on this subforum whatsoever, but speaking as the bass section mod for a minute here, let's look at things. I removed Marcus Miller from the bassists list because his important work is in jazz, that's what he's known for, where he developed his style, where he stood out etc. He's a jazz guy who's done rock sessions here and there. He's done enough rock you could make an argument for him to stay on the rock bassists list, but he'd be assured a low spot on that list because you can't really count his 'greatness' which is as a jazz player that much in a rock list.
Let's take some more borderline candidates. Anthony Jackson and Abe Laboriel have both done a ton of jazz, but you know what, they're also important in the history of rock even aside from their jazz playing, like very important. Therefore they're staying on the rock bassists list. Their rock work is very noteworthy (especially Abe).
I'm concerned about setting a bad precedent here, that's all.
IF Gadd really has the right to stay (not my call, obviously) I implore the list editor (CRJ) to consider putting him in a low spot. In an all genre list he'd have a HIGH spot but why award him influence, innovation etc points for accomplishments he made in jazz, while playing jazz?
I don't remember there ever being a post explaining in depth a criteria breakdown between Ringo and Blaine before the switch happened and Blaine jumped a spot. Maybe I missed that post.
If Blaine really has creativity and originality on Starr, WORD. I don't disbelieve it, but that means he's a really sick drummer and not just a groundbreaker/important one, and I didn't know that
I remain firm in my opinion that Paice intuitively deserves the higher spot. Incredibly pretentious as this is I'm gonna quote myself here, which I never do, only because I don't want to just re-word what I said in this earlier post:
Here's the problem. If one thinks as 'evidence' as basically namedropping in interviews (not saying you think that way), sometimes you simply won't FIND the 'evidence'. But that doesn't really mean anything in and of itself. I don't think we need to go on a scavenger hunt for 'evidence' where it's already obvious that influence is there and is profound. Ian Paice's influence is widespread, widely acknowledged, and profound. He's universally considered the co-hard rock great along with Bonham. What more evidence do we need?
Paice is at minimum top 10 influence in rock. Even if Lombardo is #1 influence in metal, Paice is one of THE guys on the Mt Rushmore who basically co invented and defined rock drumming, with Ringo, Blaine, Moon, Ginger, Bill, Neil, Bonzo and Carl. And I love Lombardo like you wouldn't believe, but it seems wrong to me to let him jump Paice
Re: the top 20 in general...
I don't think we're done, CRJ. I think we're being a little hasty here, no offense intended.
Purdie at #12 is fine I guess if his rock work warrants it, I wouldn't be surprised if it did.
spots #13 to #15 is perfect IMO, nice work CRJ
Still questioning Porcaro v Copeland, mind doing a breakdown?
My MAIN concern in the top 20 is a possible underrating of Benny Benjamin who no one here ever talks about which leads me to believe this subforum simply doesn't know anything about him (no offense...I don't know much about him either). I'll tell Stu to come over here and give everyone the lowdown on Benny if you want, he's Mr Motown/60s and 70s R&B.
Mitch at 20 seems great. Portnoy at 21, fwiw, seems perfect to me too, nicely done, this is almost certainly the best top 20 (er, 21) on this site when it's done, no matter how it ends up, cheers
PS CRJ can't find the recent post you made thanking me for nominating you as mod here...dude it's a pleasure and I'm so happy I did it...this forum is fucking sick and you're the best mod on this site right now imo. And probably the best mod I've ever seen at DDD, along with Jim from the old DDD