What's your problem? Quit the hostile tone man I'm just enjoying throwing my thoughts out there.
Yes Ringo squashes Lombardo in influence. This is a lol
When did Lombardo play punk? And besides punk drumming is very similar to thrash drumming, it's not really a stretch for a thrash drummer to play punk I'd imagine
Starr had to adapt to all the different genres of music the Beatles did so he had to be versatile. Compare 1963 Starr to 1969 Starr. Compare 1969 Starr to 1990s Starr. Compare "A Day in the Life" to "Rain" to "A Hard Day's Night" to "I Saw Her Standing There" to "Can't Buy Me Love" to "You Won't See Me" to "She Said She Said" to "Tomorrow Never Knows" to "Come Together" to "Oh! Darling" to "I Want You (She's So Heavy)" to "The End"...etc. He had to adapt to the different moods and textures of the different Lennon/McCartney/Harrison songs. There is GREAT stylistic growth and versatility in his playing over the Beatles' career from what I can tell.
Again I'm not a drummer but this is my impression.
Uhhh what? As far applying directly the drumming, and not to a band popularity contest, Ringo is probably equally as influential as Lombardo. Even if you divide influence up:
Direct Influence on drummers - Tie
Impact - Lombardo
Popularity - Starr
There isn't a Metal drummer that isn't influenced by Dave, while there are plenty of Rock drummers than don't credit Starr as an influence (though there are plenty that do). Lombardo's influence has spread even outside of Metal, since some Rock drummers now occasionally like to do some machine gun pedaling (though normally not very fast).
You seem to be thinking that just because the Beatles changed styles a bit, that Starr's drumming did dramatic stylistic changes, which simply isn't true. He did evolve a bit as the band changed, and got more creative, but it isn't a dramatic enough change for him to get versatility over Lombardo, who's played Metal, Jazz, as well as Punk, and whatever you'd consider Fantomas. Anyways, enough of my ranting:
Starr v Lombardo:
Influence - Tie
Innovation - Lombardo
Tech - Lombardo
Creativity - Starr
Versatility - Lombardo
Oh, and Carey definitely > Starr. I already did my breakdown of that. Even if you tied Innovation between the two, Carey still wins Skill, Creativity and Versatility with relative ease, despite him having little influence.
Starr doesn't tie Lombardo in influence. Come on dude. Influence isn't just determined by how many names name the dude as an influence. You have to take indirect influence into account too or Travis Barker would have a MAD influence score on a list like this, more than he deserves.
Starr's innovations and playing were listened to by millions and influenced millions more who didn't directly listen to the Beatles.
I reckon all rock drummers are influenced, directly or indirectly, by Starr. Yes, that dwarfs Dave's metal influence.
How in god's name does L. win 'impact', whatever that is? Starr's impact on the drum community was f'n ridiculous when the Beatles broke in America in '64.
Rock drummers who've adopted metal techniques have probably gotten them more from Ulrich than Lombardo. Slayer hasn't sold many records, Metallica has. Mostly just metalheads listen to/are familiar with Slayer, rock fans know Metallica well.
I can't consider it reasonable to give Lombardo innovation over Starr, it might be a tie MAYBE I think.
When did Dave play jazz?
And like I said I'm okay with Carey>Ringo really.
Apologies for my accusatory tone Human but there did seem to be a bit of an 'edge' in your tone esp. on your first post to me. But I might have overreacted
Anyway, I'm just trying to think out loud here basically. Enjoying the discourse folks :-)
dude thejew has it right. Starr is a huge influence on rock drumming and Lombardo has a huge influence on Heavy Metal drumming. That's a tie. Even if Starr won on influence it wouldn't matter because Lombardo has three guaranteed wins (Innovation, Skill, Versatility). Starr is an important drummer, but Lombardo beats him in criteria AT LEAST 3-2.
Also, when we talk about influence, it is how many professional drummers you influence, not kids. Lombardo has influence every metal drummer after him, while there is a list (not big) of drummers who weren't influence by Starr.
Hey, I think Lombardo is overrated and I prefer Starr over him, but the criteria never lies. Lombardo beats Starr