Classic Rock Junkie wrote:
I will make this forum far more active once I'm back from Japan, I just have very little time on the internet. Honestly, we have these choices to make, go by the criteria or make exceptions for famous and popular drummers. The criteria just doesn't favor Taylor. I actually think he could move down more, if not then move John Densmore way up, because Densmore destroys him in nearly every criteria but influence. His tom tuning by removing the bottom heads and using old, beat up heads in order to get a loud, low barking sound to match Morrison's voice was quite innovative, as well as his swing-rock adaptation and us of rivets for rock at the time. He's also more skilled, versatile, original, and creative. He only loses in influence, so why is he so much lower? Maybe Densmore just needs to move up a ton?http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SJ9_e-InNFo
I'm sure I posted that before but yeah Densmore's more than just The Doors.
Well Taylor is a famous and popular drummer for sure and I'm still sure he's underrated on skills and originality...I think you are a very clever guy and I really hope these choices will not follow your personal tastes.
I'm trying very hard to avoid my personal tastes, but of course as objective as we make it, there's still some degree of subjectivity. However I believe technical skill with this particular instrument is the closest criteria on the whole site to completely objectivity. Even sales numbers can be misleading and not cover the full extent of artists popularity. However drum skill can be accurately determined. I'm open to everyone's opinion and anyone who wants to call me out on these. You are more than welcome to share more videos and make as many cases as you feel necessary to convince me of Taylor's skill and creativity. With skill though try to describe what he does etc. instead of just posting a video, or you can use the skill criteria that we have for the skill thread. I'll give you an outline of how to make your argument most convincing:
It's clear he is very influential and no need to debate that, so
Innovation: What did he innovate? What new did he bring to the drums or what did he popularize that was either not done before him or which things did he build upon and bring to new heights in drumming? This is a hard one for most drummers out of the top 20
Originality: Self explanatory. What did he do, either stylistically or technically that was different from drummers before him?
Creativity: What about his playing was unique, savvy, or out of the box? What did he do to step out of the norm? How were his beats and fills compared to others? How are the complexity of his beats, grooves, and solos?
Skill: Using either our criteria in the skill list or explanations, what do you think of his technical ability in those areas?
Stylistic Versatility: How varied are his drum lines? Did he use the same rudimentary, derivative beats or was he constantly coming up with new, unique, and inventive drum lines for his material? How well did his drum lines accommodate the differences between songs? How many different styles and genres of drumming did he incorporate into his playing?
Those are the questions to examine (or I examine) when ranking these drummer. I don't see, outside of influence, him doing any of those particularly better than say Michael Giles, or even Mogenstein or Jarzombek?
Also since this list was made many new things have come to light about Gavin Harrison, who easily deserves a top 30 placement, scoring extremely well in every criteria except influence, which he actually does well in, but not great. His influence is spreading with his innovation and new original approaches to genre blending and meter movement. He is currently innovating new way to cross meters and time signatures while keeping certain beats polyrhythmic without changing the original rhythm. It's quite......nuts. It pretty much uses a new musical theory approach to subdividing.