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 Post subject: Re: 100 Greatest Rock Bass Guitarists
PostPosted: Fri Oct 29, 2010 4:07 pm 
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When I said 'yes' I was agreeing w/ the second sentence.


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 Post subject: Re: 100 Greatest Rock Bass Guitarists
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I was referring to KMiG's post of course.


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 Post subject: Re: 100 Greatest Rock Bass Guitarists
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Me too, but the second sentence.


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 Post subject: Re: 100 Greatest Rock Bass Guitarists
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I used to fume at people who raved about JPJ. I thought he was extremely overrated (I think he's good now, but still overrated). I still do not like the bass for Good Times Bad Times. I think he's trying to rip off what Entwistle did in My Generation


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 Post subject: Re: 100 Greatest Rock Bass Guitarists
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JPJ dicksuckers annoy me too. He's really great but he's no genius. I still think he's highly versatile and has phenomenal groove/is an excellent 'bass' player (knows when to stay in the background and be supportive, etc.) He has some sweet ass lines. He's very tasteful.

But he's not the Ox, or Jamerson, or Macca, or Flea.


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 Post subject: Re: 100 Greatest Rock Bass Guitarists
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ariel wrote:
JPJ dicksuckers annoy me too. He's really great but he's no genius. I still think he's highly versatile and has phenomenal groove/is an excellent 'bass' player (knows when to stay in the background and be supportive, etc.) He has some sweet ass lines. He's very tasteful.

But he's not the Ox, or Jamerson, or Macca, or Flea.


I'm assuming Macca is McCartney. Who's The Ox? Entwistle?


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 Post subject: Re: 100 Greatest Rock Bass Guitarists
PostPosted: Sun Oct 31, 2010 6:03 pm 
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Yea


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 Post subject: Re: 100 Greatest Rock Bass Guitarists
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ariel wrote:
Yea


If i had my way, Entwistle would be #1. I havent heard much Jamerson other than his Marvin Gaye work.


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 Post subject: Re: 100 Greatest Rock Bass Guitarists
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Then pick any Motown album or single. Any of them. There's a 95% chance the bassist you're hearing is Jamerson.


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 Post subject: Re: 100 Greatest Rock Bass Guitarists
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Then pick any Motown album or single. Any of them. There's a 95% chance the bassist you're hearing is Jamerson.


He gets around i guess


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 Post subject: Re: 100 Greatest Rock Bass Guitarists
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Yeah. He and Carol Kaye were the first true electric bassists, and he happens to obliterate her in influence. The bass on the 60s Motown recordings is more influential than the bass on the 60s San Francisco Phil Spector wall-of-sound recordings.


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 Post subject: Re: 100 Greatest Rock Bass Guitarists
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KeithMoonIsGod wrote:
I used to fume at people who raved about JPJ. I thought he was extremely overrated (I think he's good now, but still overrated). I still do not like the bass for Good Times Bad Times. I think he's trying to rip off what Entwistle did in My Generation


There is very little resemblance between the bass in GTBT and My Generation. Jones' bass playing is excellent throughout the song and every bit as good as anything Entwistle was playing in 1969. Because you don't like it isn't relative to the conversation. Give a listen to the bass in Ramble On (also 1969).

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DW5ZLyY9w0Y&feature=fvst

This is superior to anything Entwistle was doing back then. The bass solo in My Generation is really nothing great, just unusual for the time being a bass solo on record. It wasn't until "The Real Me" that Entwistle truly began to shine IMO. I consider "The Real Me" one of the masterpieces of Rock Bass playing and is certainly far advanced from "My Generation". From that point on Entwistle probably surpassed Jones and is why he deserves to be rated higher.

If you want to listen to who I feel was the second best Rock bass player of the 60's listen to anything by Tim Bogart (Vanilla Fudge, Beck, Bogart Appice, Cactus). Unfortunately he got sick of touring cutting his career short. Here's some examples. Unfortunately I couldn't find Vanilla Fudge's "Paradise" one of my favorite Fudge and Bogart Performances. Overall I believe he was "better" than either Entwistle or Jones back then.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L41vh23H ... re=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sAM8Q2JE ... re=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jdekE-qd ... re=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8JWHAtS-TDY


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 Post subject: Re: 100 Greatest Rock Bass Guitarists
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Jamerson's a #1 lock IMO. Entwistle's a #2 lock. It's like The Beatles and Elvis, respectively, on the greatest artists list.

ssoyd -

I think Entwistle already reached 'genius' status on Who's Next, with "Bargain, "Won't Get Fooled Again", "Love Ain't for Keeping" etc.

I want to buy some Vanilla Fudge to check out Bogert (and Appice for that matter too)...is their first album any good?


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 Post subject: Re: 100 Greatest Rock Bass Guitarists
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ariel wrote:
Jamerson's a #1 lock IMO. Entwistle's a #2 lock. It's like The Beatles and Elvis, respectively, on the greatest artists list.

ssoyd -

I think Entwistle already reached 'genius' status on Who's Next, with "Bargain, "Won't Get Fooled Again", "Love Ain't for Keeping" etc.

I want to buy some Vanilla Fudge to check out Bogert (and Appice for that matter too)...is their first album any good?


Their first album is very good but give a listen to "Renaissance" for some really fantastic playing by Bogert.

As for "Who's Next", none of Entwistle's playing blows me away like "The Real Me".


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 Post subject: Re: 100 Greatest Rock Bass Guitarists
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Ssoyd wrote:
KeithMoonIsGod wrote:
I used to fume at people who raved about JPJ. I thought he was extremely overrated (I think he's good now, but still overrated). I still do not like the bass for Good Times Bad Times. I think he's trying to rip off what Entwistle did in My Generation


There is very little resemblance between the bass in GTBT and My Generation. Jones' bass playing is excellent throughout the song and every bit as good as anything Entwistle was playing in 1969. Because you don't like it isn't relative to the conversation. Give a listen to the bass in Ramble On (also 1969).

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DW5ZLyY9w0Y&feature=fvst

This is superior to anything Entwistle was doing back then. The bass solo in My Generation is really nothing great, just unusual for the time being a bass solo on record. It wasn't until "The Real Me" that Entwistle truly began to shine IMO. I consider "The Real Me" one of the masterpieces of Rock Bass playing and is certainly far advanced from "My Generation". From that point on Entwistle probably surpassed Jones and is why he deserves to be rated higher.

If you want to listen to who I feel was the second best Rock bass player of the 60's listen to anything by Tim Bogart (Vanilla Fudge, Beck, Bogart Appice, Cactus). Unfortunately he got sick of touring cutting his career short. Here's some examples. Unfortunately I couldn't find Vanilla Fudge's "Paradise" one of my favorite Fudge and Bogart Performances. Overall I believe he was "better" than either Entwistle or Jones back then.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L41vh23H ... re=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sAM8Q2JE ... re=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jdekE-qd ... re=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8JWHAtS-TDY


On the contrary, I love GTBT. Very good bass and drum performance. And yes, Ramble On has quite a good bass performance aswell. My Generation was hugely influential when it came out, even if you do not find it that impressive. But I also agree that The Real Me is much more impressive. But my fave Entwistle performance is his live 5:15 bass solo at the Royal Albert Hall:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TVl39LBZGMw


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