Odum is likely top 40 I think. As far as Thain goes, he'll get a respectable spot when we add him, but so far my plan has been to start adding people to the list after we're done ordering the current folks. Disagree?
Sounds reasonable but will we be discussing who should be dropped from the list to make room for more deserving players?
Yeah of course. Do you think Bill Wyman should stay?
Carol Kaye: As much as her personality and persona may turn me off, she is still admittedly a trailblazing musician as the first significant female bass guitarist. She didn't innovate much, but scores some points on impact and possesses tons of technical skill. Somewhere near the 40 spot seems about right.
She's so hard to assess blah. Aside from being this list's token female, what else does she have that is significant? Playing Brian Wilson's written out parts that she didn't even come up with on Pet Sounds? Being the far distantly second place bassist in the Wrecking Crew? Did she even do extensive bass sessions as a member of the Crew, and was her playing any good when it wasn't Brian's written out parts? The fact that she's done some work in helping formalize electric bass studies by writing guide books? (And surely she must be below Rainey in terms of importance in that field...)
Mike Watt: a shoo in in this group...near the top of it. Perhaps the most prolific bassist from the "punk" genre. Also enjoys great versatility and consistant skill set.
Stu listens to punk?! Hahaha
Yeah the little I've heard of Watt blows me away.
Phil Chen: Significant 60's and 70's bassist in British rock. Perhaps overlooked due to the major rock significance of some of the frontment he played with kept him in the background, but understands what the instrument can do...and does it himself. Great historian on the instrument.
What do you mean by 'historian'
Ronnie Baker: One of the most underrated guys on this list. Perhaps this site is just not real attuned to the Philly International sound (TSOP) which set the standard for soul music in the 70's, and helped usher in the Disco era. Ronnie was a true bass "arranger", and his groove was in the pocket solid. Just a sidenote that I just can't understand Ronnies locking partner, Earl Young is TOTALLY overlooked on the drum lists...a travesty. Earl is one of the most impactful drummers of the 70's...inventing and creating the four on the floor drum pattern which dominated the Disco era. I guess that just proves my point that DDD does not give much well deserved recognition to the Philly Sound which it certainly should. A GREAT group of musicians over there in the the 70's and beyond.
Unfortunately the Philly scene and sound are almost completely unheard of today, I'd literally never heard of it before you mentioned it. Blah.
What do you mean that Ronnie was a bass 'arranger'?
Earl should be high on the drummers list no question.
Ronnie's influence on bass is so important and pivotal, yeah, he's going to be raised a lot from his token current spot.
WHERES PINO??? This is starting to get NUTS again
Certainly he belongs in the top 30 somewhere. If we are going to consider Mike Watt what about Norman Watt-Roy;http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0WGVgfjnLqc&ob=av2n
Impressed by this Watt-Roy. Also, that's the funkiest video I've ever seen!
Any more Watt-Roy samples my good man?
Reg. Pino there's literally no way he can even approach top 30. It would be unreasonable. I suspect he'll make top 50 though and has an outside shot at the top 40. Pino's really good but his innovations are somewhat minor and his style is not all THAT distinctive. His acclaim, respect, volume and versatility of recorded work are all through the roof though, as is his professionalism and his stature as one of the top contemporary bassists/bassists of the last few decades. His being chosen to play for The Who is also a huge feather in the cap and helps his placement here too. He's a musician's musician and that's also relevant. And he did play a significant role in popularizing the fretless in rock. All of this adds up to a healthy spot, but not top 30
Neg will check out those two links soon
Regarding Marcus...my instinct is to keep the issue 'tabled' for now, until we finish reordering the current names on the list/revising the current list.