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 Post subject: Re: Why video games can never succeed as art
PostPosted: Mon Nov 08, 2010 12:56 pm 
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I always thought Starship Troopers was a parody of patriotic war films, even if that wasn't the intention that's how it came out, which makes it a very entertaining film.

See that movie had a little something called a sense of humor.


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 Post subject: Re: Why video games can never succeed as art
PostPosted: Mon Nov 08, 2010 1:02 pm 
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You haven't played Halo, have you? :lol: It's probably one of the most tongue-in-cheek shooters besides Duke Nukem.

In any case, you're argument is fairly weak overall. Fiction has been attempting to mirror the trials of real life ever since it's inception, I don't see why it's objectionable whenn a videogame does the same.


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 Post subject: Re: Why video games can never succeed as art
PostPosted: Mon Nov 08, 2010 1:02 pm 
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He said he's only played Halo 3.


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 Post subject: Re: Why video games can never succeed as art
PostPosted: Mon Nov 08, 2010 1:03 pm 
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Console games are shit for the most part, be they Japanese or Western.

Halo is probably one of the most boring games I've ever played.


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 Post subject: Re: Why video games can never succeed as art
PostPosted: Mon Nov 08, 2010 1:08 pm 
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Also, I'm not saying games shouldn't strive to be art or that they can't. Games like Ico and Shadow of the Collossus have earned a reputation of showing the artistic potential that video games can have. But I also recall gamers bitching about those games because they're so short and you can't blow shit up with rocket launchers and so on.

See, it's hard to make art games when the primary demographic fucking DESPISES art.

What bothers me about Halo is that more than any other series it really seems to take itself seriously as if it IS a work of art, even though there's nothing about it that makes it more worthy of the term than any other game out there. It's all in the marketing, super dramatic ads, bombastic soundtracks and novels that go into great detail about the history of all the events in the game.

.........and it's all built around a video game version of laser tag, with no more gameplay depth added beyond that.

They might as well remake Pong, done in the style of an Ang Lee movie or something. Actually that sounds a hell of a lot more interesting.


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 Post subject: Re: Why video games can never succeed as art
PostPosted: Mon Nov 08, 2010 1:11 pm 
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bloodredchaos wrote:
Console games are shit for the most part, be they Japanese or Western.

Halo is probably one of the most boring games I've ever played.


Now that is just an AMAZINGLY retarded, closedminded statement. You must be British.


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 Post subject: Re: Why video games can never succeed as art
PostPosted: Mon Nov 08, 2010 1:29 pm 
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boo boo wrote:
Also, I'm not saying games shouldn't strive to be art or that they can't. Games like Ico and Shadow of the Collossus have earned a reputation of showing the artistic potential that video games can have. But I also recall gamers bitching about those games because they're so short and you can't blow shit up with rocket launchers and so on.


I enjoyed both of them.

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See, it's hard to make art games when the primary demographic fucking DESPISES art.


Truthfully though, the same goes for most of the movie-watching demographic. Look no further than the success and acclaim Avatar recieved despite being completely unoriginal, superficial, vapid and transparent. However, movies have branched away from commercialism to a greater extent than games have


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 Post subject: Re: Why video games can never succeed as art
PostPosted: Mon Nov 08, 2010 1:40 pm 
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Anyone here who knows my taste in movies knows that I'm an avid defender of films like Avatar that succeed at what they set out to be, and that's great entertainment.

Not that Avatar didn't have it's pretensions, but Halo's pretentiousness just really puts me off.

Did I mention that I'm a huge prog rock and anime fan? :lol:


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 Post subject: Re: Why video games can never succeed as art
PostPosted: Mon Nov 08, 2010 1:42 pm 
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Well, Halo is great entertainment to many, hence it's popularity.


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 Post subject: Re: Why video games can never succeed as art
PostPosted: Mon Nov 08, 2010 1:49 pm 
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Anime is garbage btw.


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 Post subject: Re: Why video games can never succeed as art
PostPosted: Mon Nov 08, 2010 1:50 pm 
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Curiosity wrote:
Anime is garbage btw.



I feel like people with this opinion have only watched like, Slayers. Or Duel Masters.


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 Post subject: Re: Why video games can never succeed as art
PostPosted: Mon Nov 08, 2010 1:53 pm 
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Nah. I like some anime. Death Note, Hana Yori Dango (yep), Full Metal Alchemist, and a few of the movies like Blood: The Last Vampire or the Miyazaki stuff.

But most anime sucks donkey bollocks.


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 Post subject: Re: Why video games can never succeed as art
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Curiosity wrote:
Nah. I like some anime. Death Note, Hana Yori Dango (yep), Full Metal Alchemist, and a few of the movies like Blood: The Last Vampire or the Miyazaki stuff.

But most anime sucks donkey bollocks.



Because tons try to rip off others... like in most media. I hate a good lot of series but really <3 others, and would say I am pro-anime.


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 Post subject: Re: Why video games can never succeed as art
PostPosted: Mon Nov 08, 2010 2:24 pm 
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Well, my dislike of anime mostly stems from the fanatacism of many anime fans, but other things that irk me are e.g. the way the plot, instead of being delivered through events and implications, is eleborated upon in an awkward stilted manner, often by a bunch of characters literally talking to themselves or among each other.

"So that's what the Zog are trying to do! They want to hijack earth's laser defence systems and turn them upon the earth itself, obliterating all human life"

"Oh my god, we'd better stop them"

I guess that's the inevitable result when most screen time is occupied with elemental power combat scenes and lame upskirt shots.


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 Post subject: Re: Why video games can never succeed as art
PostPosted: Mon Nov 08, 2010 4:35 pm 
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Curiosity wrote:
Anime is garbage btw.


This may seem ironic coming from me but......

You try WAY TOO FUCKING HARD.

Curiosity wrote:
Nah. I like some anime. Death Note, Hana Yori Dango (yep), Full Metal Alchemist, and a few of the movies like Blood: The Last Vampire or the Miyazaki stuff.

But most anime sucks donkey bollocks.


Have you seen most anime?

I'm pretty sure the majority of people who say that haven't.


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