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 Post subject: Re: Rugby (League and Union).
PostPosted: Sat May 07, 2011 8:13 pm 
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Of course, Parramatta are no better, they'd probably be in the bottom 5. They did win 2 minor premierships and make 2 grand finals, though.

P = Premiers, F = Finals, MP = Minor Premiers

1. Melbourne (2 P, 4 F, 3 MP)
2. Roosters (1 P, 5 F, 1 MP)
3. Brisbane (2 P, 2 F, 1 MP)
4. Dragons (1 P, 1 F, 2 MP)
5. Manly (1 P, 2 F, 0 MP)

The top 5 would probably look something llike that.

N= Didn't make top 8, W = Wooden Spoon

12. Parramatta (N 3, W 0)
13. North Queensland (N 8, W 1)
14. Canberra (N 4, W 0)
15. Sharks (N 6, W 0)
16. Rabbits (N 8, W 3)

Bottom 5.

I dunno.


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 Post subject: Re: Rugby (League and Union).
PostPosted: Sat May 07, 2011 11:44 pm 
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Fair enough stats dont lie, and as a rabbits man im disappointed every year its like groundhog day. This season i did expect top 8 finish even top four, injuries have fucked us again every season we get major injuries and season long ones this year its Stuart, Lowe, Geddes, now asotasi, burgess that's virtually the backbone of the forwards gone, anyway nothing i can do but just watch and hope :sad:


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 Post subject: Re: Rugby (League and Union).
PostPosted: Sun May 08, 2011 2:35 am 
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John G wrote:
I like Cooper he has great attacking ability and would fit into league stright away, his defence is ordinary at times though, if Cooper and sandow were halves at parra i know where teams would run.


They could just put Cooper on the wing in defence. He's fast enough (beat Kurt Gidley easily in the 40 metre sprint in Australia's Greatest Athlete and rugby league wingers never attempt to get around their opposite number on the outside anyway). He defends at fullback in union, so can deal with the kicks etc.


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 Post subject: Re: Rugby (League and Union).
PostPosted: Sun May 08, 2011 2:56 am 
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MintCondition wrote:
John G wrote:
I like Cooper he has great attacking ability and would fit into league stright away, his defence is ordinary at times though, if Cooper and sandow were halves at parra i know where teams would run.


They could just put Cooper on the wing in defence. He's fast enough (beat Kurt Gidley easily in the 40 metre sprint in Australia's Greatest Athlete and rugby league wingers never attempt to get around their opposite number on the outside anyway). He defends at fullback in union, so can deal with the kicks etc.


Yeah that's what they would with him in defence, and of course he would learn a whole different way of defending if he palyed League. Wingers in league do occassionally get around their opposite but not often, though i saw david mead from the Titans score two that way today and Brett Morris and Uate will try and get around their oppposite with some success. Cooper is quick i saw that segment in australia's greatest athlete but Kut Gidley isnt a noted speedster either.


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 Post subject: Re: Rugby (League and Union).
PostPosted: Sun May 08, 2011 5:22 am 
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That's true, but Gidley is one of the great utility backs and I don't think any one would bat an eye lid if they saw him filling in on the wing at some point in a game if injuries or whatever called for it. Obviously his best position is fullback and no one plays fullback without some speed. Main point is Cooper's speed is good enough not to be a liability on the wing when in defence. Sure a brilliant winger like Uate might expose him, but as you say someone like him can expose other specialist wingers too.

Looks like Cooper's going to stay in rugby union next year anyway. The new NRL tv deal will be interesting though. If they get massive dollars like the AFL the salary cap will increase a lot and the ARU will find it difficult to keep their top guys from 2012 on.


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 Post subject: Re: Rugby (League and Union).
PostPosted: Sun May 08, 2011 5:46 am 
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i'd disagree on a couple of points, mint. i think gidley's a great club player but has always been found wanting at rep level (picking him as origin captain on the bench last year was absurd). not convinced fullback is his best position either. has played fairly shockingly when there for nsw. I think cooper could work in league due to his offensive prowess but his defence is terrible. i mean if they're shielding him in union where the defensive requirements are half as much as league you'd have to question his mettle. surely his problems are attitudinal though and can be rectified. he has the size and strength, may just need a rocket and some technical re-adjustments (stop fucking shirt grabbing!). honestly, i think barnes would be just as good a fit in league, as would beale and probably even o'connor.


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 Post subject: Re: Rugby (League and Union).
PostPosted: Sun May 08, 2011 7:08 am 
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Well Barnes played for the broncos mate so no problems there and I agree that Beale and O'Connor would go well. Barnes is more of a solid type player though...the others have a bit more flair. I think Cooper would be a revelation in league. He'd be Australia's Benji Marshall.

Cooper's defence could be improved, but he'd be fine on the wing which is not a very important defensive position in league. It's harder defending on the wing in rugby where wingers more regularly have a go on the outside. Wingers in league these days just have to be good out of dummy half, catching bombs and diving for the corner. Speed and evasiveness is not as important for wingers as it used to be and they're told to cut inside rather than risk being tackled over the sideline.

Not related...but I don't know why the mid season test match is played before state of origin. It seems silly to me. Surely it would be better if state of origin led into the test match.


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 Post subject: Re: Rugby (League and Union).
PostPosted: Sun May 08, 2011 2:51 pm 
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Cooper wont come to league in the near future, and id prefer he stayed in Rugby Union at the moment as the wallabies need some strike power.
On a another point Origin is just around the corner, NSW players are bashing themselves again in origin trials whilst QLD just prepare with their squad. If i was picking the NSW team subject to injury (which will change no doubt would be)

1. Hayne
2. Morris
3. Gasnier
4. Indris
5. Uate
6. Soward
7. Pearce
8. Snowden
9. Young
10.Tolman
11. Gallen
12. Creagh
13. Bird

14. Gidley
15 Galloway
16 Leroy Lars
17 scott

the actual team really should be ST George/Ill side and only replace Boyd/ nightingale/fien who cant play and put in hayne, Uate, and maybe Gallen, the St george side is mainly NSW players and have combinations and winning culture now, maybe thats our best chance?


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 Post subject: Re: Rugby (League and Union).
PostPosted: Sun May 08, 2011 6:42 pm 
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Good side John, not much to disagree with.

I can't see anything but another QLD series victory though. It's basically Australia vs Australia A no matter what NSW side you pick.


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 Post subject: Re: Rugby (League and Union).
PostPosted: Mon May 09, 2011 2:30 am 
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does hayne really deserve his jersey? i haven't seen any of canberra this season so i'm not aware of dugan's form but hayne has been playing pretty poorly for this season and most of last. and if inglis is on or he has to face hodges i think idris is really going to struggle defensively. he should really get fit and move to the back row. halves look mighty one dimensional but there's really no one else to pick.


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 Post subject: Re: Rugby (League and Union).
PostPosted: Tue May 10, 2011 4:30 am 
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borracho wrote:
does hayne really deserve his jersey? i haven't seen any of canberra this season so i'm not aware of dugan's form but hayne has been playing pretty poorly for this season and most of last. and if inglis is on or he has to face hodges i think idris is really going to struggle defensively. he should really get fit and move to the back row. halves look mighty one dimensional but there's really no one else to pick.


Hayne was playing ok prior to his suspension and was solid in the city v country game, Dugan was playing well before his injury too but is struggling, if hes fit id put brett stewart in , the guy just knows how to score a try and lifts the confidence of any side he plays in.
Indris will be tested by Hodges who is right centre for QLD and Gasnier will be right for NSW so indris will mark hodges, he will be tested defensively and QLD will shift alot of play to NSW's left edge, but on the other hand Indris is a hand full as well . Another centre alternative is is josh morris and maybe jennings either way they will be tested. Halves alternative is carney/pearce if they want to risk carney or jarrod mullen.


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 Post subject: Re: Rugby (League and Union).
PostPosted: Tue May 10, 2011 5:33 am 
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Would've been interesting if Brett Stewart was fit all year.


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 Post subject: Re: Rugby (League and Union).
PostPosted: Tue May 10, 2011 6:55 am 
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not sold on the morris bros. fine finishers i guess but certainly can't create. haven't seen much of jennings the last few rounds but at the start of the season he was playing park footy standard. wouldn't really mind hayne on the wing over morris. it won't happen but it's not like it's particularly picking a player out of position (which i loathe). he has form there, is more than capable in d and could certainly float in offense and follow the ball.

and yeah, i'd back stewart if fit. i'd forgotten how good he was. my favourite nsw fullback over the past decade is still minichello though. he was amazing before the back problems. and i fucking hate the roosters.


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 Post subject: Re: Rugby (League and Union).
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actually, i'd like to see michael gordon get a run. my back 5

1. doogs
2. hayne
3. gordon
4. gaz
5. uate

no man boobs idris in my team.


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 Post subject: Re: Rugby (League and Union).
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There was a hybrid rugby game played last night between Keebra Park (one of the best league schools) and St Augustines (one of the best union schools).

Info here: http://www.foxsports.com.au/rugby/st-au ... 6054238646

I watched a bit of it and it was pretty interesting. Both schools obviously had players that had played both codes before and each team adapted surprisingly well. I was impressed by both teams. I would hate for a 3rd rugby code to develop, but this doesn't seem to be trying to do that...they're just trying to create a set of rules that create a fair contest between league and union teams. Though it would be an obvious gimmick I would enjoy watching a cross code game every couple of years between say the wallabies and the kangaroos.

You could argue that instead of this they should play the first half under one set of rules and the 2nd half under the other, but that would just mean the league team would easily win the league half and the union team easily win the union half. Something like this could keep it tight and each team would use quite different tactics to exploit their advantages and minimise their weaknesses.


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