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corrections · **Joined:** Thu Oct 07, 2010 8:11 pm **Posts:** 14762

pave wrote:

Jurassic Park/Indy/Jaws >>>>>>>>> Schindler's List/SPR/Munich

Yes (although I have kind of a soft spot for Munich because whether intentionally or not it seemed to me like Spielberg's Jewish heroes were depicted as just as fucked up as their enemies).

corrections · **Joined:** Thu Oct 07, 2010 8:11 pm **Posts:** 14762

Tudwell wrote:

Jurassic Park is awesome.

Indeed. That's what Spielberg needs to embrace. I will also note that Spielberg's Nazi's in Indiana Jones are much less offensive for that reason.

corrections · **Joined:** Thu Oct 07, 2010 8:11 pm **Posts:** 14762

pave wrote:

if you are gonna go "anti-nazi", have the balls to go all-out Inglourious Basterds style. implicate yourself in the blood-lust and accept that your hatred and lust for revenge makes you as morally bankrupt as those you hate. give me characters like the german soldier who died rather than be a traitor or the german soldier who just became a father who ended up caught up in a fight that he never asked to be a part of. and juxtapose that with american jews who felt righteous in avenging their people, even as they sold their souls every bit as much as the ones they felt justified in killing.

how is it that Tarantino's revenge porn can be more morally complex than Spielberg's "serious drama"?

Because he's a better and smarter director.

corrections · **Joined:** Thu Oct 07, 2010 8:11 pm **Posts:** 14762

boo boo wrote:

pave wrote:

if you are gonna go "anti-nazi", have the balls to go all-out Inglourious Basterds style. implicate yourself in the blood-lust and accept that your hatred and lust for revenge makes you as morally bankrupt as those you hate. give me characters like the german soldier who died rather than be a traitor or the german soldier who just became a father who ended up caught up in a fight that he never asked to be a part of. and juxtapose that with american jews who felt righteous in avenging their people, even as they sold their souls every bit as much as the ones they felt justified in killing.

how is it that Tarantino's revenge porn can be more morally complex than Spielberg's "serious drama"?

Alright, I actually agree with this.

And if someone praises Schinder's List but calls IB morally despicable, I'd probably be the first person to call them out on it.

I'm not denying that SL was emotionally manipulative, but criticizing art for what I consider the most human characteristic ever just strikes me as fucking stupid.

But stuff like the "I should have done more" speech has no place in any film of serious merit. Just such bullshit. They took an actually interesting character with huge moral flaws (Schindler) and made him into an uninteresting swell guy.

corrections · **Joined:** Thu Oct 07, 2010 8:11 pm **Posts:** 14762

pave wrote:

boo boo wrote:

pave wrote:

if you are gonna go "anti-nazi", have the balls to go all-out Inglourious Basterds style. implicate yourself in the blood-lust and accept that your hatred and lust for revenge makes you as morally bankrupt as those you hate. give me characters like the german soldier who died rather than be a traitor or the german soldier who just became a father who ended up caught up in a fight that he never asked to be a part of. and juxtapose that with american jews who felt righteous in avenging their people, even as they sold their souls every bit as much as the ones they felt justified in killing.

how is it that Tarantino's revenge porn can be more morally complex than Spielberg's "serious drama"?

Alright, I actually agree with this.

And if someone praises Schinder's List but calls IB morally despicable, I'd probably be the first person to call them out on it.

well IB is morally fucked if you believe that Tarantino sides with the Basterds. if you believe what i do, which is that he intentionally presented them like that to elicit cheers from the audience so that they would see the propaganda film towards the end of the movie and realize they got caught up in propaganda and revenge-lust themselves... then it's not morally despicable. but it depends on how much credit you give Tarantino. i give him more than most. specifically because of how he treats all three german soldiers that get focus (the one in the woods, the one in the bar, and the one who stars in the movie)

I'm going to take the Dreww position here and say it doesn't matter what he intended because what he created is exactly what you describe and it works beautifully.

ClashWho · **Joined:** Mon Oct 11, 2010 5:45 pm **Posts:** 19292

corrections wrote:

But stuff like the "I should have done more" speech has no place in any film of serious merit. Just such bullshit. They took an actually interesting character with huge moral flaws (Schindler) and made him into an uninteresting swell guy.

I'm not seeing what you're seeing.

corrections · **Joined:** Thu Oct 07, 2010 8:11 pm **Posts:** 14762

ClashWho wrote:

corrections wrote:

But stuff like the "I should have done more" speech has no place in any film of serious merit. Just such bullshit. They took an actually interesting character with huge moral flaws (Schindler) and made him into an uninteresting swell guy.

I'm not seeing what you're seeing.

It is so damn maudlin.

Led for your Head · **Posted:** Mon Aug 20, 2012 8:18 pm

How do you guys feel about doing another list?

Fav silent films of all time?

Quinnsy Lohan · **Posted:** Mon Aug 20, 2012 8:29 pm

How often do you feel this list should be updated?

Sherick · **Posted:** Mon Aug 20, 2012 8:32 pm

Well I've seen two films since I made mine that I now would put iamongst my favorites, and a couple others I would raise, and more to come.
I don't know though, maybe once a year? Be a good way to guage changing tastes/perceptions.

PBR Streetgang · **Posted:** Tue Aug 21, 2012 2:27 am

Led for your Head wrote:

How do you guys feel about doing another list?

Fav silent films of all time?

Oh man I love this idea.

Start a new thread for this? or do we just post all our lists here?

Led for your Head · **Posted:** Tue Aug 21, 2012 6:14 am

I can start a new one later on today, when I get back from work.

PBR Streetgang · **Posted:** Tue Aug 21, 2012 9:05 am

Anybody else find it strange that in DDD's collective top 50 there is not one Hitchcock movie?

Sodacake · **Posted:** Tue Aug 21, 2012 9:07 am

I don't find it particularly strange. I don't really see him talked about all that much. I think the last time there was an extensive discussion about him was when Dreww was posting about how he doesn't like his films.

PBR Streetgang · **Posted:** Tue Aug 21, 2012 9:33 am

It's kinda ridiculous though that a filmmaker as amazing as Hitchcock isn't represented in the Top 50 by a website filled with cinephiles. So many masterpieces to choose from and not one made it in the Top 50?

EDIT: Actually never mind. None of the classical greats are represented here, really, other than Capra (with just the one film).

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