^that

who was it that described movies like that as "feeling good about feeling bad" movies? cause that's pretty much correct. manipulative shit.

Jurassic Park/Indy/Jaws >>>>>>>>> Schindler's List/SPR/Munich

Not even close.

Absolutely.

No.

i agree. that's why i put so many arrows.

I mean I enjoy those films more. But Schindler's List is objectively better. Easily.

Schindler's List is not even a film I really care to watch again.

However, it pisses you guys off for not having friendly Nazis in it, and that to me is the greatest form of artistic credibility a film can have.

Jurassic Park is awesome.

Fuck. YES.

Edit: Honestly Schindler is better than The Pianist imo for the reasons Sanjy gave a page or two back.

if you are gonna go "anti-nazi", have the balls to go all-out Inglourious Basterds style. implicate yourself in the blood-lust and accept that your hatred and lust for revenge makes you as morally bankrupt as those you hate. give me characters like the german soldier who died rather than be a traitor or the german soldier who just became a father who ended up caught up in a fight that he never asked to be a part of. and juxtapose that with american jews who felt righteous in avenging their people, even as they sold their souls every bit as much as the ones they felt justified in killing.

how is it that Tarantino's revenge porn can be more morally complex than Spielberg's "serious drama"?

I couldn't disagree with Sanjy more. "It's not supposed to be realistic" is a mantra that could justify all sorts of negative stereotypes in all sorts of films. I don't care about Spielberg's influences; when you're making a drama about serious shit like the Holocaust, cheap emotional manipulation rubs me up the wrong way. Shit's dark enough without mustache-twirling villains.

IMO Saving Private Ryan has been the best of Spielberg's serious films, generally I'm not a fan of war movies with any trace of patriotism in it, but I think it's the one such film that works, without coming off as militaristic propaganda.

You may argue that the morality is still too black and white, fine, but at the very least it didn't cut any corners in making war look like a fucking nightmare.

I almost forgive it for starting the shaky cam craze. Almost.

I liken it to Black Hawk Down. The battle scenes are fantastic, but undermined by substance-less plastic cheese.