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PostPosted: Sun Jun 03, 2012 6:17 pm 
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If filmmakers want to do that then they should go for it.


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to be fair, i don't think there is a ton of demonizing the German people or even members of the German military during the war (well, not anymore at least). just the specific individuals who organized and ran the camps.


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there are political and financial reasons that they can't and they won't.

the fact that it's so easy and acceptable to make movies about nazis, but not about other villains of equal magnitude, should tell you something.


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pave wrote:
to be fair, i don't think there is a ton of demonizing the German people or even members of the German military during the war (well, not anymore at least). just the specific individuals who organized and ran the camps.
are you're forgetting the end of "saving private ryan"... where that german boy who was kindly spared his life by the magnanimous american heroes returns as a remorseless killing machine?

or, on the matter of the armenian genocide, in egoyan's movie "ararat", where the turk who was entrusted by the armenian tourist ends up savagely betraying him?


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 Post subject: Re: DDD's Favourite Films
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Accusing filmmakers like Spielberg of generalizing the entire German nation is going pretty fucking overboard. But if he did, I wouldn't give a fuck either.

Also what George is complaining about is a completely different issue. He's complaining about how much of a Hollywood cliche it is, fine. I'm not saying it's ballsy to go after the Nazis, but that doesn't mean you shouldn't.


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 Post subject: Re: DDD's Favourite Films
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i honestly stopped paying attention to Saving Private Ryan about 20 minutes in. i don't like Spielberg dramas. i won't defend it.


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boo boo wrote:
it's not ballsy to go after Conservatives (originally said "christian right") either, but that doesn't mean you shouldn't.


oh come on. that's ridiculous. you are letting a handful of extremists justify hating millions of nice people who are responsible for enormous humanitarian efforts and charities.


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I deleted that for a reason you cunt.


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 Post subject: Re: DDD's Favourite Films
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???

boo boo wrote:
Also what George is complaining about is a completely different issue. He's complaining about how much of a Hollywood cliche it is, fine. I'm not saying it's ballsy to go after the Nazis, but that doesn't mean you shouldn't.
and i'm saying there is a point after which you have to move on and stop beating a dead horse. it's not good for anyone.

how long to you keep beating up on a person who has sincerely apologized for doing something bad to you? it takes guts and it takes generosity of spirit to be able to forgive. maybe it was necessary to make "saving private ryan" and "schindler's list". i don't know. i can't say where the cutoff is... i'm just saying i'd like to see this fetish for nazi demonization gradually dialed down. hanging on to this too long becomes almost as bad as the atrocity itself.
this has absolutely nothing to do with justice anymore.


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boo boo wrote:
I deleted that for a reason you cunt.


you also wrote it in the first place, dick


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pave wrote:
boo boo wrote:
I deleted that for a reason you cunt.


you also wrote it in the first place, dick


And then I realized that what I wrote was stupid. I'm prone to fucking up like that.

I would like to antagonize you further, but, I think this is a good time to let it go.


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pave wrote:
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cunt.

dick
you two were meant for each other... can't you see...


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George wrote:
pave wrote:
boo boo wrote:
cunt.

dick
you two were meant for each other... can't you see...


haha i was hoping somebody would take that setup. i'm glad it was you.


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 Post subject: Re: DDD's Favourite Films
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George wrote:
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boo boo wrote:
Also what George is complaining about is a completely different issue. He's complaining about how much of a Hollywood cliche it is, fine. I'm not saying it's ballsy to go after the Nazis, but that doesn't mean you shouldn't.
and i'm saying there is a point after which you have to move on and stop beating a dead horse. it's not good for anyone.

how long to you keep beating up on a person who has sincerely apologized for doing something bad to you? it takes guts and it takes generosity of spirit to be able to forgive. maybe it was necessary to make "saving private ryan" and "schindler's list". i don't know. i can't say where the cutoff is... i'm just saying i'd like to see this fetish for nazi demonization gradually dialed down. hanging on to this too long becomes almost as bad as the atrocity itself.
this has absolutely nothing to do with justice anymore.


You don't fucking get it. Spielberg made a film about a personal subject to him, is he supposed to be an objective reporter? I thought this was filmmaking, not goddamn journalism. That reminds me. John Cassavetes sucks.

Actually comparing this to the holocaust makes you even more despicable to me, something I didn't even think was possible. Congratufuckinglations you creep.

Considering that antisemitism is worse now than ever, it's not even CLOSE to being the right time to let it go.

Unless every single Nazi apologized personally, there is no fucking reason to forgive them, even if they did, there is still no fucking reason to forgive them.


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 Post subject: Re: DDD's Favourite Films
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What the fuck are you talking about boo boo? How is the holocaust or World War II personal to a man born to American Jews a year after the war? How does anti-semitism drive society today and what does that have to do with Spielberg's cartoonish portrayal of Nazis and German citizens?


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