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So they work for Spill.com?


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Just spreading the word -- and venting my frustrations.


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Haven't gone to that site in years, but I do crave more video film criticisms. Only problem is that most of them on the net don't take it seriously enough or aren't that educated as critics to begin with and there's nothing worse than video film reviews that know they're funny (which they're not).


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You should check out Mark Kermode.


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Harmony Korine - Julien Donkey-Boy

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Beyond The Black Rainbow - 2.5/5

The final 10-15 minutes really brought hurt this otherwise interesting (imo) film.


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wantabodylikeme wrote:
Only problem is that most of them on the net don't take it seriously enough or aren't that educated as critics to begin with and there's nothing worse than video film reviews that know they're funny (which they're not).

More of this with the Spill guys, definitely. Art films are shunned as being something only reserved to be mocked, and when they're given films with fragmented narratives, ambiguity, surrealism or anything like that, they lose their goddamn minds and get angry at the so-called "egghead" critics for encouraging those things. Basically, they have to live off a concrete plot or they can't follow, much like the general moviegoing audience. The sad fact of it all is that they're licensed critics, too.


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Dreww wrote:
Not either/or but also/and. It basically marries the plot of Shane to the psychological approach and political attitudes of Taxi Driver (which used the plot of The Searchers). The protagonists of Taxi Driver and Drive are structuring their psyches around the values of Shane and The Searchers, and so they attempt to enact those stories in real life as a way of feeling like "real heroes".


I'm not convinced that fits Driver. He struck me as a guy who got dragged into that mess mostly against his will. Bickle definitely went looking for it.


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Wrong. Driver is a psychopath. Watch the movie again.


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Dreww wrote:
Wrong. Driver is a psychopath. Watch the movie again.


You think he didn't really want to give the million dollars to the thugs so they'd just leave everyone alone?


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Samsara

Not as enthused about this as Drew, but I think it's worth to see it in the cinema if you can. I personally don't think it's as good as Koyaanisqatsi , tho I'm not sure how to honestly evaluate these types of films. Certainly some images and its contrast next to one another worked, but it was rather inconsistent. So I can only judge this by drawing a through line between everything you see here, and Samsara suffers from perhaps being too varied with not enough connection, what ever it may be, to carry the images in a journey like experience. Another problem that this perhaps unfortunately falls victim to, is the advent of the internet and having access to a lot of images that are similar to the ones shown here, so it doesn't become that much of a foreign experience. Yeah it's weird, maybe not the movie's fault, but the celebration of difference in culture and perception here doesn't seem as poignant anymore, so the only way to work around it is to capture and juxtapose with other things, images presented in fresher and more abstract ways. There are a few here which are just utterly breathtaking, with a timelapse of muslims near the end being something Brakhage himself would drool over twice. Music is another thing to make a convincing journey through these images, but compared to Phillip Glasses' work, the selections here, despite being some with the sublime Dead Can Dance, just didn't come together.

Context is this film's biggest flaw and unfortunately it's uncontrollable.


On an experience note tho, there's a section here involving animals, that knowing who I am as a person, totally wrecked my soul. I'll be switching to falafel in the near future.


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this trailer for spielberg's lincoln looks like complete oscar bait. hope the movie is actually better


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ClashWho wrote:
Dreww wrote:
Wrong. Driver is a psychopath. Watch the movie again.


You think he didn't really want to give the million dollars to the thugs so they'd just leave everyone alone?

No, he did. But he's still a psychopath. The only criteria for psychopathy that Driver does not fit are nonplanfulness and, arguably, lack of guilt and lack of empathy (but even those are complicated). He does have "shallow emotions (in particular reduced fear), stress tolerance, [...] coldheartedness, [...] egocentricity, superficial charm, manipulativeness, irresponsibility, [...] impulsivity, and antisocial behaviors such as parasitic lifestyle and criminality". So he's a psychopath who did an effectively good thing, but he's still a psychopath. That's a big part of the the point of the movie (as it is of Taxi Driver, although Taxi Driver is more politically critical of Bickle). Taxi Driver just makes it easier to tell Bickle is a psychopath because it shows him trying to assassinate a candidate and gives you access to his own internal monologue. In Driver you have to parse out weird things between the lines. Like when Driver sees Irene in the grocery store and, after she calls her son "monkey", he goes outside, stops for a weird beat, and sees that her car is broken. He was "monkeying" with her car as a way to get into their life, rather than just saying hi. There are similar implications throughout the whole movie that something is wrong with Driver--not least of which are the helpless, animalistic looks on his face after his explosions of violence. Driver has a psychopathic violent drive which he is utterly captive to. The point of the movie is similar to Shane. The point of Shane is that it's not the gun that's good or bad, it's the man that uses it. The point of Drive is that it's not the car (psychopathic violent tendencies/extreme instrumental skill) or the man that's good or bad, it's the story or pattern you've placed those things in. At the beginning of the story Driver is using his psychopathic violent tendencies for bad. By the end of the movie he has transitioned into using them for good. Part of that transition involves reenacting narrative tropes from old movies, such as being the real hero who leaves the money behind, even though Irene will never see that. He's leaving the money behind for himself, for his own self-image as a hero. He is parasitically using Irene's family as material for a story which will turn him from a criminal into a hero. The movie is taking a non-essentialist view of goodness or badness. Basically, even if you are a scorpion or a shark, if you place yourself in the hero position in a hero narrative, you are a "real human being and a real hero" as the song ironically underscores. The movie is basically an explanation of how being a "sacrificial hero" is also a win-win if you are a psychopath.


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Dreww wrote:
ClashWho wrote:
Dreww wrote:
Wrong. Driver is a psychopath. Watch the movie again.


You think he didn't really want to give the million dollars to the thugs so they'd just leave everyone alone?

No, he did. But he's still a psychopath. The only criteria for psychopathy that Driver does not fit are nonplanfulness and, arguably, lack of guilt and lack of empathy (but even those are complicated). He does have "shallow emotions (in particular reduced fear), stress tolerance, [...] coldheartedness, [...] egocentricity, superficial charm, manipulativeness, irresponsibility, [...] impulsivity, and antisocial behaviors such as parasitic lifestyle and criminality". So he's a psychopath who did an effectively good thing, but he's still a psychopath. That's a big part of the the point of the movie (as it is of Taxi Driver, although Taxi Driver is more politically critical of Bickle). Taxi Driver just makes it easier to tell Bickle is a psychopath because it shows him trying to assassinate a candidate and gives you access to his own internal monologue. In Driver you have to parse out weird things between the lines. Like when Driver sees Irene in the grocery store and, after she calls her son "monkey", he goes outside, stops for a weird beat, and sees that her car is broken. He was "monkeying" with her car as a way to get into their life, rather than just saying hi. There are similar implications throughout the whole movie that something is wrong with Driver--not least of which are the helpless, animalistic looks on his face after his explosions of violence. Driver has a psychopathic violent drive which he is utterly captive to. The point of the movie is similar to Shane. The point of Shane is that it's not the gun that's good or bad, it's the man that uses it. The point of Drive is that it's not the car (psychopathic violent tendencies/extreme instrumental skill) or the man that's good or bad, it's the story or pattern you've placed those things in. At the beginning of the story Driver is using his psychopathic violent tendencies for bad. By the end of the movie he has transitioned into using them for good. Part of that transition involves reenacting narrative tropes from old movies, such as being the real hero who leaves the money behind, even though Irene will never see that. He's leaving the money behind for himself, for his own self-image as a hero. He is parasitically using Irene's family as material for a story which will turn him from a criminal into a hero. The movie is taking a non-essentialist view of goodness or badness. Basically, even if you are a scorpion or a shark, if you place yourself in the hero position in a hero narrative, you are a "real human being and a real hero" as the song ironically underscores. The movie is basically an explanation of how being a "sacrificial hero" is also a win-win if you are a psychopath.


This further emphasizes and explains why I thought this was the best film last year. Some of this stuff I had not thought of at least consciously. Good read.


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