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 Post subject: Where is the Asian-American music?
PostPosted: Wed Sep 17, 2014 6:10 pm 
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When people immigrated to America they brought their cultural traditions with them, and obviously one of those is music. People from Scotland and Ireland brought their musical traditions to the Appalachian region and created Appalachian folk music. African people were brought as slaves and thus couldn't bring instruments with them, but they merged their musical traditions with european styles. Latin Americans brought the rhythms from their nations to the United States. Central Europeans brought their dances to the Midwest to create polka. But the one group you never associate with music is Asian Americans. Despite settling in Hawaii and on the West coast in great numbers they didn't seem to develop their own unique American music which is baffling to me. Countries all over Asia have strong musical traditions, so why weren't those musical traditions brought to America, or if they were why didn't they develop into a musical movement?


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Adequate Gatsby wrote:
People from Scotland, Ireland, Africa, Latin America, Central Europe...


There's something all of these have in common. That's your answer.


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joe c wrote:
Adequate Gatsby wrote:
People from Scotland, Ireland, Africa, Latin America, Central Europe...


There's something all of these have in common. That's your answer.


Actually kind of struggling on this one what is it?


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they're NOT Asian


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 Post subject: Re: Where is the Asian-American music?
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That's a good question. And I think I wrote something sorta relevant to it in my last year's song list for Yamantaka//Sonic Titan's "One" (#21). But that's more really a kind of blending in with Asian culture and already established American tropes, which I guess can be recognized as Asian- American in a way. But it sounds like you're looking for a movement, which the slipperyness of Asian American identity makes it a difficult find.

I grew up in Hawaii and the only thing kind of close to that is the "local" culture that's prominent there where a new kind of Asian-Hawaiian culture was established after immigrants started assimilating. This is especially prevalent in the kinds of foods there (ie Spam Musubi), and some of the "local" music integrates mentions of those foods lyrically. It's probably why I identify with Asian cultures, I practically grew up within it.


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 Post subject: Re: Where is the Asian-American music?
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jumpman8828 wrote:
they're NOT Asian


That would be rather tautological, so I don't think that's what Joe meant.

Looked to me that it was that all of them were groups that were discriminated against on a pretty widespread basis, at least at one time. Perhaps the idea is that those who aren't given second-class economic treatment find it easier and/or more desirable to assimilate into the culture?


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Brett Alan wrote:
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they're NOT Asian


That would be rather tautological, so I don't think that's what Joe meant.

Looked to me that it was that all of them were groups that were discriminated against on a pretty widespread basis, at least at one time. Perhaps the idea is that those who aren't given second-class economic treatment find it easier and/or more desirable to assimilate into the culture?


Well that would make sense if you know there wasn't widespread discrimination and second-class economic treatment meted out to Asian immigrants in the 19th Century


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jumpman8828 wrote:
they're NOT Asian


This is what I meant. More specifically, none of them nelong to the "eastern world".


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 Post subject: Re: Where is the Asian-American music?
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Brett Alan wrote:
jumpman8828 wrote:
they're NOT Asian


That would be rather tautological, so I don't think that's what Joe meant.

Looked to me that it was that all of them were groups that were discriminated against on a pretty widespread basis, at least at one time. Perhaps the idea is that those who aren't given second-class economic treatment find it easier and/or more desirable to assimilate into the culture?


Well that would make sense if you know there wasn't widespread discrimination and second-class economic treatment meted out to Asian immigrants in the 19th Century


That's true...then again, perhaps those immigrants did develop a music of their own, which we're not aware of (I know I'm not all that up on 19th-century music).

Oh, well, I appear to have misread Joe's intent anyway.


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joe c wrote:
jumpman8828 wrote:
they're NOT Asian


This is what I meant. More specifically, none of them nelong to the "eastern world".


Yeah but Africa ain't exactly the West and Latin America isn't exactly either


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 Post subject: Re: Where is the Asian-American music?
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My point wasn't that those countries belong to the west, but that none of them belong to the east.


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 Post subject: Re: Where is the Asian-American music?
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joe c wrote:
My point wasn't that those countries belong to the west, but that none of them belong to the east.


But I don't think that really answers the question why musical traditions weren't brought over


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