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 Post subject: Re: Awful, Awful Music
PostPosted: Wed May 16, 2012 3:11 pm 
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Why do people fetishize talent used worthlessly?


I know. I hate it when beautiful women waste their talent by not servicing me.


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 Post subject: Re: Awful, Awful Music
PostPosted: Wed May 16, 2012 3:20 pm 
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You get them so wet they worry about being electrocuted.


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 Post subject: Re: Awful, Awful Music
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Why do people fetishize talent used worthlessly?


I know. I hate it when beautiful women waste their talent by not servicing me.


you are assuming beauty = talent. SEXISM!!11


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 Post subject: Re: Awful, Awful Music
PostPosted: Wed May 16, 2012 4:14 pm 
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I tell you who didn't waste talent. Townes Van Zandt.

Because he didn't have any.


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 Post subject: Re: Awful, Awful Music
PostPosted: Wed May 16, 2012 4:22 pm 
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dreamcoil wrote:
corrections wrote:
pnoom wrote:
Why do people fetishize talent used worthlessly?


I know. I hate it when beautiful women waste their talent by not servicing me.


you are assuming beauty = talent. SEXISM!!11


Yeah if you want talent you need to be hooking up with used-to-be-fat girls.


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 Post subject: Re: Awful, Awful Music
PostPosted: Wed May 16, 2012 4:27 pm 
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dreamcoil wrote:
corrections wrote:
pnoom wrote:
Why do people fetishize talent used worthlessly?


I know. I hate it when beautiful women waste their talent by not servicing me.


you are assuming beauty = talent. SEXISM!!11


Not really sexism but lookism. People with good singing voices can manipulate their mouths well.


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 Post subject: Re: Awful, Awful Music
PostPosted: Wed May 16, 2012 7:36 pm 
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I don't see anybody on this page "fetishizing" anything.

Responding to a video of a song with no redeeming qualities with "Gretchen Wilson can sing though" as if it is a redeeming quality is close enough. It's valuing the mere presence of talent when that talent is used in a totally and unmitigatedly disastrous manner.

But I will admit that an aspect of my post was in response to the entire vocalist subforum, which is predicated on fetishizing horrendously misused talent. Yousha's post happened to remind me of the existence of that subforum and hence I asked.

Even so, it seems pretty clear to me that some a lot of people value music at least partially for its ability to entertain and people often find specific talents or unique traits (i.e. the ability to hold a tune and have an aesthetically pleasing voice) to be entertaining. So naturally some people tag more worth to an artist that has talent than one that does not. I see Yousha's comment as simply stating that there is at least one positive quality to Gretchen Wilson as a musical artist, not that it saves her music from being trash (which would constitute fetshizing, imo).


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 Post subject: Re: Awful, Awful Music
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I see Yousha's comment as simply stating that there is at least one positive quality to Gretchen Wilson as a musical artist, not that it saves her music from being trash (which would constitute fetshizing, imo).


Exactly, I'm seeing it like that too. I could name tons of musicians who have their 'redeeming talents' (singing and guitar playing, for example), kinda to make up for the awful music. Their underlying talents don't change the fact that their music is horrendous, though.


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yeah well jimmy gnecco also has talent, and so does malmsteen. yet no one listens to them other than itlan and yngtchie respectively. talent doesn't really mean anything unless you're doing theory


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dreamcoil wrote:
yeah well jimmy gnecco also has talent, and so does malmsteen. yet no one listens to them other than itlan and yngtchie respectively. talent doesn't really mean anything unless you're doing theory


That's an incredibly false statement.


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my problem is that i see "talent" as being a subjective measurement of creative expression. whereas here it is used as some sort of difficulty level. and its often limited even in that use. idk how many times i've seen guitar discussion based solely around speed, as if that was the only thing that makes playing guitar difficult. if i see someone play 32nd notes up and down a scale for 2 minutes, my first thought is generally "that guy needs to learn how to play guitar". then again, i also see uninformed peeps who try to lump Vai and Satch in with those idiots (which makes it clear they've never listened to those two before, because they are far from it)... i'm rambling now. anyway, Thurston Moore > Michael Angelo Batio


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This is an actual thing that happened:



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RZA's verse was worse than Shaq's lol.



also, wtf was the director of the video thinking? was he confusing musical hooks with actual physical metal hooks? was it a metaphor? was he just lazy?


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Im always gonna love seeing his hands go at that blinding speed in the middle of that clip


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