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 Post subject: 100 Greatest R&B/Soul Songs of All Time
PostPosted: Sat Mar 30, 2013 6:02 pm 
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This is a list in the works. It will be a comprehensive overview of "R&B music" from the 1940's through today. So it will encompass doo-wop, rock 'n' roll, Motown, disco, funk, the pop-rock of artists such as Prince, to post-'80s modern R&B/soul offshoots. I will also have sidebar lists for "R&B-rap songs" and of the ilk.

To get as many R&B/soul songs represented, I will have two lists that continue the tradition of upbeat "R&B/Soul Songs" and "R&B/Soul Ballads," each starting at 100 entries for now.

Keep in mind that "R&B" is a catchall term, so I will have to come up with a solid definition of "R&B" as a genre of music and will also have to explain how jazz, gospel, and blues records made the "R&B" charts. Then we have the case-by-case situations where artists not in the R&B realm, such as records by The Beach Boys, Pat Boone, and The Kingston Trio, ended up on the R&B charts, compared to artists such as Madonna, The Rolling Stones, and David Bowie, who all had certified hits with the black populace.

Last but not least, the terms "rock" and "R&B" will definitely be discussed briefly, as well as "jump blues" and "rhythm & blues."

For now is a preliminary sampler of candidates that one can expect to find, broken up by category. Note that not all of these songs will make the Top 100 rankings but are shown to demonstrate the diversity of R&B throughout its history.

As always, suggestions are welcome.

Jump Blues/Early R&B *possible sidebar list
Caldonia - Louis Jordan
Choo Choo Ch'Boogie - Louis Jordan
Drinkin' Wine Spo-Dee-O-Dee - Stick McGhee
Flying Home - Lionel Hampton
Good Rockin' Tonight - Roy Brown
The Honeydripper - Joe Liggins
Straighten Up And Fly Right - King Cole Trio

Pre-Doo-Wop
The Gypsy - Ink Spots
Ol' Man River - Ravens
It's Too Soon To Know - Orioles

Pre-1954 Early Rock 'n' Roll *will use the Wynonie Harris record as the earliest starting point
The Fat Man - Fats Domino
Gee - Crows
Good Rockin' Tonight - Wynonie Harris
Lawdy Miss Clawdy - Lloyd Price
Money Honey - Drifters
Rocket 88 - Jackie Brenston
Sixty Minute Man - Dominoes
Teardrops From My Eyes - Ruth Brown

Doo-Wop
Earth Angel - Penguins
I Only Have Eyes For You - Flamingos
In The Still of The Nite - Five Satins
Sh-Boom - Chords
Why Do Fools Fall In Love? - Teenagers

Early Soul/Proto-Soul
Fever - Little Willie John
For Your Precious Love - Jerry Butler & the Impressions
Have Mercy Baby - Drifters
Lonely Teardrops - Jackie Wilson
Please, Please, Please - James Brown
There Goes My Baby - Drifters
Shake A Hand - Faye Adams
Shout - Isley Brothers
You're So Fine - Falcons

Rock 'n' Roll
*possible sidebar list (Little Richard, Chuck Berry, Fats Domino, etc.). "R&B is rock," "rock is R&B" confluence

Girl Group
*possible sidebar list (Shirelles, Crystals, Ronettes, etc.).

Soul
I Want You Back - Jackson 5
Let's Get It On - Marvin Gaye
Let's Stay Together - Al Green
My Girl - Temptations
Respect - Aretha Franklin
What'd I Say - Ray Charles

1. Psychedelic
Dance To The Music - Sly & the Family Stone
Time Has Come Today - Chambers Brothers

2. Blue-Eyed Soul/Funk
People Got To Be Free - Rascals
Pick Up The Pieces - Average White Band

3. Brown-Eyed Soul/Funk
Low Rider - War
Viva Tirado - El Chicano

4. Soul-blues
Down Home Blues - Z.Z. Hill
I Pity The Fool - Bobby "Blue" Bland

5. Country Soul
Drift Away - Dobie Gray
Just Out of Reach - Solomon Burke

6. "Uptown"/Pop-Soul
River Deep, Mountain High - Ike & Tina Turner
Walk On By - Dionne Warwick

Funk
Bustin' Loose - Chuck Brown
Chameleon - Herbie Hancock
Cissy Strut - Meters
It's Your Thing - Isley Brothers
One Nation Under A Groove - Funkadelic
Superfly - Curtis Mayfield
Theme from Shaft - Isaac Hayes
Zombie - Fela Kuti

Disco
Can't Get Enough of Your Love, Babe - Barry White
I Feel Love - Donna Summer
I Will Survive - Gloria Gaynor
The Love I Lost - Harold Melvin
Soul Makossa - Manu Dibango
That's The Way - KC & the Sunshine Band

Modern R&B (generally 1980s-present)

Post-Disco Funk
Computer Love - Zapp
Let It Whip - Dazz Band
Rumors - Timex Social Club
Super Freak - Rick James
Word Up - Cameo

New Jack/Jill Swing
I Wanna Sex You Up - Color Me Badd
I Want Her - Keith Sweat
Just Got Paid - Johnny Kemp
My Prerogative - Bobby Brown

Hip-Hop Soul/R&B
Goodies - Ciara
Hold On - En Vogue
Real Love - Mary J. Blige
Waterfalls - TLC

Adult Contemporary Soul/Quiet Storm
End of The Road - Boyz II Men
Here And Now - Luther Vandross
Smooth Operator - Sade
Sweet Love - Anita Baker
Save The Best For Last - Vanessa Williams
Un-Break My Heart - Toni Braxton
You Give Good Love - Whitney Houston

Latin freestyle/electro soul
I Wonder If I Take You Home - Lisa Lisa & Cult Jam
Let The Music Play - Shannon
Love Come Down - Evelyn King
You're The One For Me - D Train

House
Gonna Make You Sweat - C+C Music Factory
Jack Your Body - Steve 'Silk' Hurley
Show Me Love - Robin S.

Neo-Soul
Ex-Factor - Lauryn Hill
Lady - D'Angelo
On And On - Erykah Badu

R&B-Pop-Rock
Billie Jean - Michael Jackson
That's The Way Love Goes - Janet Jackson
When Doves Cry - Prince
We Found Love - Rihanna
Vision of Love - Mariah Carey

Alternative Soul
Crazy - Gnarls Barkley
It Ain't Over 'Til It's Over - Lenny Kravitz
Never Stop - Brand New Heavies
Rehab - Amy Winehouse
Rolling In The Deep - Adele

Reggae Soul/R&B
Close To You - Maxi Priest
You Don't Love Me - Dawn Penn

Modern Miscellaneous *sidebar list of unusual entries
Another One Bites The Dust - Queen
Careless Whisper - Wham! feat. George Michael
Cry Me A River - Justin Timberlake
Miss Me Blind - Culture Club
Rapture - Blondie
Straight Up - Paula Abdul
Vogue - Madonna
West End Girls - Pet Shop Boys


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 Post subject: Re: 100 Greatest R&B/Soul Songs of All Time
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Should funk infused Jazz really be included on the list?


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 Post subject: Re: 100 Greatest R&B/Soul Songs of All Time
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It depends on what you deem funk-infused jazz. Because semantics can deem also deem it jazz-infused funk.


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 Post subject: Re: 100 Greatest R&B/Soul Songs of All Time
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I would consider Herbie Hancock to be Funk infused Jazz.


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 Post subject: Re: 100 Greatest R&B/Soul Songs of All Time
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These would be some of the candidates for the top ten on the two lists if I was doing it:

Caldonia - Louis Jordan
The Honeydripper - Joe Liggins
Choo Choo Ch'Boogie - Louis Jordan
Straighten Up And Fly Right - King Cole Trio
Respect - Aretha Franklin
I Heard It Through The Grapevine - Marvin Gaye
Billie Jean - Michael Jackson
What'd I Say - Ray Charles
My Girl - Temptations
What's Going On - Marvin Gaye
Superstition - Stevie Wonder
Let's Stay Together - Al Green
In The Midnight Hour - Wilson Pickett
Papa's Got A Brand New Bag - James Brown
When Doves Cry - Prince
Sixty Minute Man - Dominoes
Have Mercy Baby - Dominoes
Money Honey - Clyde McPhatter & Drifters
Pledging My Love - Johnny Ace
Honky Tonk - Bill Doggett
Searchin' - Coasters
I Can't Help Myself - Four Tops
Ain't Too Proud To Beg - Temptations
Sexual Healing - Marvin Gaye
I Will Survive - Gloria Gaynor
Let's Get It On - Marvin Gaye
Stay In My Corner - Dells
I Do Love You - Billy Stewart
Shake A hand - Faye Adams


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 Post subject: Re: 100 Greatest R&B/Soul Songs of All Time
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Amazing idea!
After that list, it would be nice to have a list of R&B/Soul albums.


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 Post subject: Re: 100 Greatest R&B/Soul Songs of All Time
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Bruno wrote:
Amazing idea!
After that list, it would be nice to have a list of R&B/Soul albums.


These lists already exist, they're just not good. Sampson is apparently handing them off to Trance so JB can fix them.


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 Post subject: Re: 100 Greatest R&B/Soul Songs of All Time
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Bruce wrote:
Bruno wrote:
Amazing idea!
After that list, it would be nice to have a list of R&B/Soul albums.


These lists already exist, they're just not good. Sampson is apparently handing them off to Trance so JB can fix them.

I know it exists, but I think a good idea to include many sub-genres.


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 Post subject: Re: 100 Greatest R&B/Soul Songs of All Time
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Adequate Gatsby wrote:
Should funk infused Jazz really be included on the list?

Yeah, I wouldn't consider "Chameleon" r&b really.


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 Post subject: Re: 100 Greatest R&B/Soul Songs of All Time
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"Chameleon" is a seminal tune in the jazz-funk (a hybrid of jazz and funk) canon. It still gets airplay on classic R&B/soul stations, one of the actually few jazz-funk records to receive this honor. It may not be fully R&B but it still has a sharp funk incorporation, with its funky bassline and serving as a sample source for R&B, dance, and hip-hop, paving the way for other landmark tunes such as the electro-funk of "Rockit" in the 1980s. Compare this to the stylistic hybrids of folk-rock, country-rock, and jazz-rock.

With that being said, "Chameleon" is not a Top 100 R&B/Soul tune, but it was listed under "funk" to show the different types of funk around that era (I could have put a Blackbyrds or Donald Byrd tune there or other jazz-funk works). You have go-go represented (Chuck Brown), New Orleans funk/R&B (Meters), straight funky soul rock (Isley Brothers), psychedelic-futuristic funk (Funkadelic), blaxpoitation through Curtis Mayfield and Isaac Hayes (the latter proto-disco as well), and world/Afrobeat funk (Fela Kuti, who actually combines jazz, funk, and African rhythms and was called Africa's James Brown and Miles Davis).


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 Post subject: Re: 100 Greatest R&B/Soul Songs of All Time
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J.B. Trance wrote:
For now is a preliminary sampler of candidates that one can expect to find, broken up by category. Note that not all of these songs will make the Top 100 rankings but are shown to demonstrate the diversity of R&B throughout its history.

Having read this I'll just say "good job" and shut up then.


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 Post subject: Re: 100 Greatest R&B/Soul Songs of All Time
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Great idea, but are you really going to consider Chuck Berry r&b? Sure he dabbled in some blues here and there, but other than that I dont hear much of it in his music.

Would it be too presumptuous to assume "Respect" will be #1?


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 Post subject: Re: 100 Greatest R&B/Soul Songs of All Time
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Negative Creep wrote:
Great idea, but are you really going to consider Chuck Berry r&b? Sure he dabbled in some blues here and there, but other than that I dont hear much of it in his music.

Would it be too presumptuous to assume "Respect" will be #1?


I would not consider Chuck to be R&B at this point. His influence is almost 100% on white music. Depending upon how big the list is maybe "Maybellene" can get a mention at like #280 or something but where it currently is on that list (#5) is preposterous. I know it was number one for a long time on Billboard's R&B chart in 1955, but in those days their methodology was clearly bad, with acts like the Everly Brothers and Lesley Gore scoring big R&B hits.


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 Post subject: Re: 100 Greatest R&B/Soul Songs of All Time
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Negative Creep wrote:
Great idea, but are you really going to consider Chuck Berry r&b? Sure he dabbled in some blues here and there, but other than that I dont hear much of it in his music.

Would it be too presumptuous to assume "Respect" will be #1?


That's the thing; R&B is such a broad term that not everyone is in unison on what R&B entails. For example, some include jump blues, others do not. Others don't consider Fats Domino or Little Richard to be R&B while others do (e.g. New Orleans R&B). Some don't consider particular periods to be included under the R&B umbrella, such as contemporary R&B or even Motown. The fact is, the definition of "R&B" has shifted throughout the decades to include soul, funk, and disco, among other forms of music.

Then we have items that have sold to an "R&B" audience that is not R&B, and then items that charted that are not R&B and did not have such an impact on the populace of the time due to a variety of reasons.

Anyway, to get back to your question, I probably won't include Chuck Berry; he was seen as more of a straight rock 'n' roller, although some quarters do consider him "R&B". I will probably put Berry, Domino and Richard (the latter two more R&B-influenced), along with the R&B-informed girl groups, to a sidebar list because they did appeal to "black" audiences at least.

Also, "Respect" will surely be #1 on this list, so you guessed correctly.


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 Post subject: Re: 100 Greatest R&B/Soul Songs of All Time
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Anything new on the list, J.B.?


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