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 Post subject: Re: The top 10 songs by artists index
PostPosted: Wed Jun 13, 2012 8:58 pm 
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Negative Creep wrote:
Phantom Of The Opera was an original masterpiece that set the template for all Maiden epics that followed. They took the formula from Priest's Victim Of Changes (main riff, a few verses, slow melodic part, return to main riff) to a whole new level with this song.
You say it's popularity has waned over the years, and maybe it has, but that's more than likely just among the fans, who mostly love the Dickinson era the most.
But to give one example, Metallica were much more influenced by the rawer sound of the Di'Anno material.


You are right, but both Hallowed and Rime rose above the standard that was set by Phantom.

Also, I don't think I actually said it's popularity waned over the years.


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 Post subject: Re: The top 10 songs by artists index
PostPosted: Thu Jun 14, 2012 11:15 am 
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JRA wrote:
You are right, but both Hallowed and Rime rose above the standard that was set by Phantom.


Personally I think it's every bit as good as Hallowed, and definitely better than Rime (which I've always found just a tad overrated).

Ranking the Maiden 'epics':

1. Phantom Of The Opera/Hallowed Be Thy Name
2. Caught Somewhere In Time
3. Dream Of Mirrors
4. Rime Of The Ancient Mariner
5. The Talisman
6. Seventh Son
7. Heaven Can Wait
8. Infinite Dreams
9. Dance Of Death
10. Lord Of The Flies (live version w/Bruce of course)


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 Post subject: Re: The top 10 songs by artists index
PostPosted: Thu Jun 14, 2012 1:48 pm 
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Something about Slayer:
The band was invited to open for Bitch at the Woodstock Club in Los Angeles, performing eight songs — six being covers. While playing Iron Maiden's "Phantom of the Opera" the band was spotted by Brian Slager, a former music journalist who had, at the time, recently founded the label Metal Blade Records. Impressed with Slayer's performance, Slagel met with the band backstage and asked them to record an original song, "Aggressive Perfector", for his upcoming Metal Massacre III compilation. The band agreed and the song created underground "buzz", which led to Slagel offering the band a recording contract with Metal Blade.

PotO thashy riff, one of the most recognisable from Maiden, was a sure influence for thrash. It was also one of the first progressive songs from NWoBHM and it was surely the most popular from all of them at that time. Composition of the song is close to being perfect as for metal epic. Bruce said that 'This song really is everything that Iron Maiden is all about' and Steve Harris said he wanted Maiden to go in that direction after he wrote the song. And everyone knows how Maiden evolved over the years.
About popularity... Steve wrote special version of Phantom for 3 guitars and since then they play it very frequently at concerts, and for sure more often than Rime. Initial popularity of the songs goes hand to hand since they were loved from the beginning as non-singles epics, but now Phantom is 'more mainstream', has more listeners and it's the most popular song from Maiden first album. Rime is behind Aces High, 2M2M from Powerslave and behind Phantom in overall popularity.

Neg, I'm not posting that much, because I have very little time nowadays, but I'll try to rearrange the list a bit and expand it to '200 greatest metal songs' in some time. It would be awesome if Black Sabbath list in this topic would be complete at that time. The one here is not perfect, I guess, and it would be a lot easier for me to make the list if people would decide which Black Sabbath song is the greatest one.


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 Post subject: Re: The top 10 songs by artists index
PostPosted: Thu Jun 14, 2012 6:47 pm 
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Fine. I'll put Phantom at #4. (I still think putting it at #2 is stupid).


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 Post subject: Re: The top 10 songs by artists index
PostPosted: Fri Jun 15, 2012 9:28 am 
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1. Hallowed Be Thy Name (Number of the Beast)
2. The Trooper (Piece of Mind)
3. Number of the Beast (Number of the Beast)
4. Phantom of the Opera (Iron Maiden)
5. Run to the Hills (Number of the Beast)
6. Rime of the Ancient Mariner (Powerslave)
7. Aces High (Powerslave)
8. 2 Minutes to Midnight (Powerslave)
9. Fear of the Dark (Fear of the Dark)
10. Alexander the Great (Somewhere in Time)


That mostly looks damn good to me.

The only issue I have is that there's NO WAY that Alexander is a greater or better song than Powerslave.
It's not cliched at all, imo. To quote Triple H, the song is just that...damn...good.


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 Post subject: Re: The top 10 songs by artists index
PostPosted: Fri Jun 15, 2012 11:17 am 
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Hey man, Powerslave's my top 5. Someone here wanted a song from Somewhere In Time. I wanted to get rid of Fear of the Dark but fuckin Nesquik was like "You can only get rid of the bottom song"


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 Post subject: Re: The top 10 songs by artists index
PostPosted: Fri Jun 15, 2012 1:56 pm 
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I would rather have Powerslave on the list, I don't even remember when AtG got on the list. Besides, Wasted Years would be the song of choice from Somewhere in Time, right?


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 Post subject: Re: The top 10 songs by artists index
PostPosted: Fri Jun 15, 2012 4:35 pm 
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Well it started here:

Nesquik wrote:
We probably don't need 4 Powerslave songs on the Maiden list, but we also should probably have Wasted Years or something from SiT instead.


and from pages 14-15 we arrived at this conclusion.

JRA wrote:
Another thing, why didn't you guys choose to bring up you reservations against CSIT before I put it up? You didn't seem to have a problem with it in the two days that passed after I posted the suggested lit and actually put it up. And another thing, Nesquik, you said "Wasted Years or something else from SIT," well what exactly did you have in mind?


Nesquik wrote:
Wasted Years (or maybe, just maybe Alexander the Great).


Sherick wrote:
Honestly I'd prefer Alexander to Wasted Years.


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 Post subject: Re: The top 10 songs by artists index
PostPosted: Fri Jun 15, 2012 9:01 pm 
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What we have here is difference of opinion.

Imo, Caught Somewhere In Time is easily the crowning jewel of the album. Wasted Years sounds closer to hair metal or something. This isn't how most people like their Maiden.

And yeah, Powerslave > any song SiT.


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 Post subject: Re: The top 10 songs by artists index
PostPosted: Fri Jun 15, 2012 9:32 pm 
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Negative Creep wrote:
What we have here is difference of opinion.

Imo, Caught Somewhere In Time is easily the crowning jewel of the album. Wasted Years sounds closer to hair metal or something. This isn't how most people like their Maiden.

And yeah, Powerslave > any song SiT.



Caught Somewhere in Time is not just my favorite on that album, it's my favorite Maiden song period. Of course I want it in the top 10. But then I got this:


JRA wrote:
Nesquik wrote:
I can do that, too. Because I've never once heard anyone say that Caught Somewhere in Time is a good song,


Bullshit, you've heard plenty, and so have I. That song, and Alexander the Great are definitely the reasons why people love SIT so much (along with Wasted Years of course). But then again, the most requested song for Maiden to play live nowadays is Alexander The Great. They wouldn't request it if the song was shite. I'd be ok with that at #10 as well.


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Bullshit, you've heard plenty, and so have I.


I haven't.


So yea...


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 Post subject: Re: The top 10 songs by artists index
PostPosted: Sun Jun 17, 2012 1:27 am 
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Let's move on to another band that's rarely talked about..... :lol:

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Black Sabbath

1. War Pigs (Paranoid)
2. Iron Man (Paranoid)
3. Black Sabbath (Black Sabbath)
4. NIB (Black Sabbath)
5. Paranoid (Paranoid)
6. Symptom of the Universe (Sabotage)
7. Heaven and Hell (Heaven and Hell)
8. Sabbath Bloody Sabbath (Sabbath Bloody Sabbath)
9. Sweet Leaf (Master of Reality)
10. Into the Void (Master of Reality)


Black Sabbath had by far the most impact and influence. The only thing War Pigs and Iron Man have on it is popularity, and even that not by much. War Pigs in particular was a significant influence on prog metal, but Iron Man was really only influential for the riff. And Black Sabbath is more influential than both of them because of the essence and sound of the whole song.

Aside from that, this mainly looks good.
Maybe Fairies Wear Boots > Sweet Leaf?


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 Post subject: Re: The top 10 songs by artists index
PostPosted: Sun Jun 17, 2012 2:29 pm 
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I'm not doing anything to the Black Sabbath list that doesn't involve Children of the Grave or Megalomania.


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 Post subject: Re: The top 10 songs by artists index
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 Post subject: Re: The top 10 songs by artists index
PostPosted: Sun Jun 17, 2012 3:45 pm 
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You think Black Sabbath should be #1 too?


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 Post subject: Re: The top 10 songs by artists index
PostPosted: Sun Jun 17, 2012 3:54 pm 
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Neg has really good reasoning behind it. I personally like War Pigs at 1, but objectively it might make sense for Sabbath to be there, given it's importance. In the context of just Sabbath itself though, I'm unsure about the top 3. War Pigs has the acclaim, Iron Man has the overwhelming popularity, Sabbath has the influence.


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