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 Post subject: The DigitalDreamDoor "What Genre Are They?" Guide to Metal
PostPosted: Fri Mar 21, 2014 3:44 pm 
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This thread is meant to be a reference guide. It is a database that covers what sub-genre of metal an artist is. This is meant to be the definitive, inarguable guide. This means that if a debate whether an artist is or is not a certain sub-genre, the decision will be based on what this reference guide says. You may argue that changes be made to these listings, but keep discussion polite. All inflammatory posts will be ignored. Also, if you want to argue for a change in a listing, please include some kind of reference as to why you want to change it. You must explain why you want the listing to be changed.

Bad example
Mercyful Fate should have black metal listed.

Bad example pt 2
Mercyful Fate should have black metal listed, you faggot.

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Mercyful Fate should have black metal listed, because they have lyrical themes and cultural impact that lies within the boundaries of black metal.

Sub-genres and sub-sub-genres (and some sub-sub-sub genres)
Alternative Metal
-Funk Metal
-Nu Metal
-Rap Metal

Avant-Garde Metal

Black Metal
-Atmospheric Black Metal
--Blackgaze
-Depressive Black Metal
-Melodic Black Metal
-Pagan Black Metal
-Symphonic Black Metal
-War Metal

Death Metal
-Brutal Death Metal
--Slam Death Metal
-Death 'n' Roll
-Deathgrind
-Melodic Death Metal
-Technical Death Metal

Doom Metal
-Death Doom Metal
-Funeral Doom Metal
-Traditional Doom Metal

Drone Metal

Folk Metal
-Celtic Metal
-Medieval Folk Metal

Gothic Metal

Grindcore
-Cybergrind
-Deathgrind
-Goregrind

Groove Metal

Industrial Metal
-Cyber Metal
-NDH

Melodic Metalcore
-Trancecore

Metalcore
-Deathcore
-Mathcore
-Nintendocore

Neoclassical Metal

Power Metal

Progressive Metal
-Math Metal

Sludge Metal
-Post-Metal

Speed Metal

Stoner Metal

Symphonic Metal

Thrash Metal
-Crossover Thrash
-Technical Thrash Metal

Heavy Metal
-NWOBHM

Trance Metal

Viking Metal


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 Post subject: Re: The DigitalDreamDoor "What Genre Are They?" Guide to Met
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Accept – Heavy Metal
Alice in Chains – Alternative Metal
Annihilator – Technical Thrash Metal
Anthrax – Thrash Metal/Speed Metal (Early/Present) Groove Metal (John Bush Era)
At the Gates – Melodic Death Metal
Atheist – Technical Death Metal/Progressive Metal
Bathory – Black Metal/Thrash Metal ('80s) Viking Metal ('90s/'00s)
Black Sabbath – Heavy Metal/Doom Metal
Blind Guardian – Power Metal/Speed Metal
Budgie – Heavy Metal
Burzum – Atmospheric Black Metal
Candlemass – Doom Metal
Cannibal Corpse – Brutal Death Metal
Carcass – Goregrind (Early) Melodic Death Metal (Later)
Celtic Frost – Thrash Metal (Early) Doom Metal (Monotheist)
Children of Bodom – Melodic Death Metal/Power Metal
Cradle of Filth – Symphonic Black Metal (Early) Gothic Metal (Later)
Danzig – Heavy Metal
Darkthrone – Death Metal (Soulside Journey) Black Metal (Mid-Period) Black Metal/Heavy Metal (2007-Present)
Death – Death Metal (Early) Progressive Death Metal (Later)
Deicide – Death Metal
Diamond Head – NWOBHM
Dimmu Borgir – Symphonic Black Metal
Dio – Heavy Metal
Dokken – Heavy Metal
Dream Theater – Progressive Metal
D.R.I. - Crossover Thrash
Edge of Sanity – Melodic Death Metal/Progressive Metal
Emperor – Black Metal
Entombed – Death Metal (Early) Death 'n' Roll (Later)
Exodus – Thrash Metal


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 Post subject: Re: The DigitalDreamDoor "What Genre Are They?" Guide to Met
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Faith No More – Alternative Metal
Fate's Warning – Progressive Metal
Fear Factory – Death Metal/Industrial Metal (Early) Industrial Metal (Later)
Gamma Ray – Power Metal
Hammerfall – Power Metal/Heavy Metal
Helloween – Power Metal/Speed Metal
Iced Earth – Power Metal/Thrash Metal
Immortal – Black Metal
In Flames – Melodic Death Metal (Early) Melodic Death Metal/Alternative Metal (Later)
Iron Maiden – Heavy Metal, NWOBHM
Judas Priest – Heavy Metal
King Diamond – Heavy Metal
Korn – Nu Metal/Alternative Metal
Kreator – Thrash Metal
Kyuss – Stoner Metal
Lamb of God – Groove Metal/Metalcore
Machine Head – Groove Metal (Early/Later) Nu Metal (Mid)
Manowar – Heavy Metal/Power Metal
Mastodon – Sludge Metal/Progressive Metal (Early) Stoner Metal (The Hunter)
Mayhem – Black Metal
Megadeth – Thrash Metal (Early) Technical Thrash Metal (Early '90s) Heavy Metal (Later)
Mercyful Fate – Heavy Metal
Meshuggah – Djent/Technical Thrash Metal
Metal Church – Heavy Metal/Thrash Metal
Metallica – Thrash Metal ('80s) Heavy Metal ('90s) Thrash Metal/Heavy Metal ('00s)
Ministry – Industrial Metal
Morbid Angel – Death Metal (Early) Industrial Metal ('10s)
Motley Crue – Heavy Metal
Motorhead – Heavy Metal/Speed Metal
My Dying Bride – Doom Metal/Death Doom Metal/Gothic Metal


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 Post subject: Re: The DigitalDreamDoor "What Genre Are They?" Guide to Met
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Napalm Death – Grindcore (Early) Deathgrind (Later)
Neurosis – Post-Metal
Nevermore – Thrash Metal/Heavy Metal
Opeth – Progressive Metal/Death Metal
Overkill – Thrash Metal/Groove Metal
Ozzy Osbourne – Heavy Metal
Pantera – Heavy Metal (Early) Groove Metal (Later)
Pentagram – Doom Metal
Possessed – Death Metal/Thrash Metal
Queensryche – Heavy Metal/Progressive Metal
Rage Against the Machine – Rap Metal
Rainbow – Heavy Metal
Savatage – Heavy Metal/Progressive Metal
Saxon – NWOBHM/Heavy Metal
Scorpions – Heavy Metal
Sepultura – Thrash Metal/Death Metal (Early) Nu Metal/Groove Metal (Mid) Groove Metal (Later)
Skid Row – Heavy Metal
Slayer – Thrash Metal
Slipknot – Nu Metal/Alternative Metal
Sodom – Thrash Metal/Black Metal (Early) Thrash Metal (Later)
Soundgarden – Alternative Metal
St. Vitus – Doom Metal
Stratovarius – Power Metal
Suffocation – Brutal Death Metal/Technical Death Metal
Suicidal Tendencies – Crossover Thrash
Symphony X – Progressive Metal
System of a Down – Alternative Metal


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 Post subject: Re: The DigitalDreamDoor "What Genre Are They?" Guide to Met
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Terrorizer - Deathgrind
Testament - Thrash Metal
Therion - Death Metal (Early) Symphonic Metal (Later)
Tool - Alternative Metal (Early) Alternative Metal/Progressive Metal (Later)
Trouble - Doom Metal/Stoner Metal
Twisted Sister - Heavy Metal
Type O Negative - Gothic Metal/Doom Metal
Venom - NWOBHM/Speed Metal
Voivod - Progressive Metal/Thrash Metal, Alternative Metal (Angel Rat)
W.A.S.P - Heavy Metal
White Zombie - Groove Metal/Industrial MEtal
Yngwie J. Malmsteen - Neo-Classical Metal


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 Post subject: Re: The DigitalDreamDoor "What Genre Are They?" Guide to Met
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Guys, I am a bit noob when it comes to metal, but aren't using heavy metal label is a bit like calling rock and roll subgenre of rock music, while the latter is just a short name for former. So I don't believe there is such subgenre as heavy metal. Idk, to be honest.


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 Post subject: Re: The DigitalDreamDoor "What Genre Are They?" Guide to Met
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Metal =/= but heavy metal is a sub-genre of metal

It's also called traditional metal. It is the kind of metal that Black Sabbath, Budgie, Iron Maiden, and Judas Priest play. It's the most basic form of metal, closest to hard rock, and was the first sub-genre of metal.


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 Post subject: Re: The DigitalDreamDoor "What Genre Are They?" Guide to Met
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Isn't traditional more appropriate name then? It can save us from such confusions, no?


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 Post subject: Re: The DigitalDreamDoor "What Genre Are They?" Guide to Met
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Fixed.


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 Post subject: Re: The DigitalDreamDoor "What Genre Are They?" Guide to Met
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Would King Diamond also fall under prog metal as well? I imagine there should also be some sub-subs for power metal, but it really has never been clearly defined. Honestly I think symphonic metal is a subgenre of power metal.

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 Post subject: Re: The DigitalDreamDoor "What Genre Are They?" Guide to Met
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Heavy Metal is less syllables than traditional metal.

and Celtic Frost should have black metal listed because a)their sound and production was very dirty and raw even compared to early thrash albums/demos. While they certainly were not the sole inspiration for the raw sound of black metal, to not note them for this is a mistake. b) Thrash seemed to be more socially conscious rather than Satanically/occult themed (which is also why some lump very early Slayer as black metal), Celtic Frost was 99&% occult themed and maybe one song was socially conscious, whereas most bands were 99% about social consciousness and 1% Satanic. (Metallica is no exception to this. Jump In The Fire). c) While I don't know much about guitar playing, I can definitely hear that there are two separate attacks between when Celtic Frost did and what most thrash bands did. Technical proficiency had nothing to do with it either. Exodus was still a thrash band despite their guitarists not being as gifted as Dave Mustaine. d) Really the most Metallica could do to break musical boundaries was go slower and softer. Celtic Frost on the other hand pushed in all sorts of different directions and had all sorts of instruments in what they did, and such an aesthetic carried over more to black metal rather than thrash. e) They wore corpsepaint. Slayer did not, they just used makeup to look evil before taking it off anyway. Venom never really wore corpsepaint either, so really you could say the idea was inspired by Celtic Frost.


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 Post subject: Re: The DigitalDreamDoor "What Genre Are They?" Guide to Met
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JRA wrote:
Heavy Metal is less syllables than traditional metal.

and Celtic Frost should have black metal listed because


I wouldn't argue against including it as a secondary genre even if they don't completely fit. Just calling them plain ol' thrash doesn't seem to cover it.

I disagree with the inclusion of alternative metal for Type O Negative. None of their albums really fall into the genre. RYM has only Life Is Killing Me list it as the third genre on there and that's probably their least important album anyway. AMG lists them as alternative metal, but I don't think you can take their genre listings on the sidebar seriously, otherwise you'd have to add "symphonic black metal" to Opeth. They're usually better with genres in their reviews, but even there they tend to fuck up. Their review of Slow Deep and Hard calls it "goth rock", when it's pretty much doom with a lot of thrash and hardcore influences carried over from Carnivore and while there are a few Gothic influences, they're not as pronounced as they would be on the later albums. Their later albums have a few songs with pop rock sensibilities, and they probably got some airtime on alternative rock radio, but I think doom and Gothic metal should be sufficient.


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 Post subject: Re: The DigitalDreamDoor "What Genre Are They?" Guide to Met
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Amon Amarth - Melodic Death Metal
Avenged Sevenfold - Metalcore (Early) Heavy Metal (Later)
Devin Townsend - Progressive Metal/Avant-Garde Metal
Nightwish - Power Metal/Folk Metal (Early) Power Metal/Symphonic Metal (Later)

Soundgarden should also be listed as Heavy Metal.


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 Post subject: Re: The DigitalDreamDoor "What Genre Are They?" Guide to Met
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BABYMETAL - Brutal Kawaiicore


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 Post subject: Re: The DigitalDreamDoor "What Genre Are They?" Guide to Met
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Darkthrone's Goatlord is also death metal.

Overkill should be: Thrash metal (early), thrash/groove (later)

D.R.I. should be: Hardcore punk (early), crossover thrash (later)

Suicidal Tendencies should be: Hardcore punk (early and Freedumb), crossover thrash (mid period), hardcore/funk/alternative metal (later).

If you're not counting Fates Warning as power metal, heavy metal should at lest be added.


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