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Negative Creep
 Post subject: Re: Greatest Metal Debut Albums
PostPosted: Sat Aug 18, 2012 11:08 pm 
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I give originality to SBG because it's the album that solidified death metal as a viable genre.
As mentioned, Seven Churches is more like thrash-death than actual death metal.

Nes, I take it you agree with me on this point?
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Negative Creep wrote:
joe c had it at #11 on his personal draft.


Oh. :ugh:

Still though, 11 is not top 10. I'm actually fine with EDM being top 11.
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Negative Creep
 Post subject: Re: Greatest Metal Debut Albums
PostPosted: Sun Aug 19, 2012 11:56 am 
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So a mere one spot makes that much of a difference to you?
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Well jesus when you put it that way.... :oops:

I mean there was all that squabbling in the Albums thread about what's top 10 worthy.
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Negative Creep wrote:
I give originality to SBG because it's the album that solidified death metal as a viable genre.
As mentioned, Seven Churches is more like thrash-death than actual death metal.

Nes, I take it you agree with me on this point?


Anyone have a rebuttal?
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JRA
 Post subject: Re: Greatest Metal Debut Albums
PostPosted: Sun Aug 19, 2012 11:28 pm 
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it's no more thrash-death than SBG is
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joe c
 Post subject: Re: Greatest Metal Debut Albums
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joe c wrote:
I disagree with that article. Seven Churches was the move from thrash to death, even though it retained some thrash elements.


Sherick wrote:
SBG would be a lot more original if Seven Churches hadn't come first.


joe c wrote:
By your criteria Seven Churches is greater than Scream Bloody Gore.


JRA wrote:
joe c wrote:
I agree. Seven Churches was the first major long play in death metal.


Precisely.
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Negative Creep
 Post subject: Re: Greatest Metal Debut Albums
PostPosted: Tue Aug 21, 2012 7:38 am 
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1. Black Sabbath
2. Kill' em All
3. Iron Maiden
4. Welcome To Hell
5. Blizzard Of Ozz
6. Holy Diver
7. Seven Churches
8. To Mega Therion
9. Scream Bloody Gore
10. Lightning To The Nations

Yeah I know, Blizzard slaughters Welcome To Hell in popularity, but WtH slaughters it in influence and originality.
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Nesquik
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PostPosted: Tue Aug 21, 2012 12:27 pm 
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To Mega Therion > Seven Churches
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Negative Creep
 Post subject: Re: Greatest Metal Debut Albums
PostPosted: Tue Aug 21, 2012 12:46 pm 
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Yeah it's probably more acclaimed and popular. I'd give it influence too, I was very surprised to find out how many bands covered songs from that album.

Any objections to Welcome To Hell taking Blizzard for #4?
Again, it kills in influence and originality.
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joe c
 Post subject: Re: Greatest Metal Debut Albums
PostPosted: Tue Aug 21, 2012 1:14 pm 
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Why are you talking about popularity when it isn't even part of your criteria?

To Mega Therion vs. Seven Churches
Influence: Tie
Importance: Tie
Originality: To Mega Therion
Acclaim: Tie
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I'd give To Mega Therion the benefit on influence for having a wider range. Probably (not doing research here) more acclaimed within the metal community as a whole.
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Negative Creep
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Probably because I'm so used to discussing it on other lists.... :durr:

I'd probably give importance to Seven Churches, if barely. Although SBG was the first "exclusive" death metal album, Seven Churches paved the way.

How I'd see it...

Influence - Tied
Acclaim - To Mega Therion
Importance - Seven Churches
Originality - To Mega Therion (it wasnt the first hardcore thrash album, but the production, the female vocal parts, and the overall construction of the album was hugely original).

At least we all agree that TMT gets the nod.

Now, Blizzard Of Ozz vs. Welcome To Hell...

Influence - Welcome
Acclaim - Blizzard
Importance - Welcome by a fuckin landslide
Originality - Welcome by a fuckin landslide
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Negative Creep
 Post subject: Re: Greatest Metal Debut Albums
PostPosted: Thu Aug 23, 2012 11:36 am 
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Alright then.

1. Sabbath
2. Kill Em All
3. Maiden
4. Welcome To Hell
5. Blizzard Of Ozz
6. Holy Diver
7. To Mega Therion
8. Seven Churches
9. Scream Bloody Gore
10. Lightning To The Nations
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