Chemical Ali wrote:
Your comments are always backhanded and condescending. To even put it out there, without saying that thats how you feel, that my list was merely only popular because it incorporated other peoples opinions, is in one way disclaiming my knowledge on the subject. Why should he have the list? Honestly. He does not expand on it, he does not follow the criteria, and its a pretty poor version of a list. I don't understand the need for having him as the editor just because he was there first; let alone the part of not participating in open discussion of the list. If i had the list first, then left, and came back to find it was in the hands of someone else and they had expanded the list, and had legitimate reasons for the inclusion of certain artists in their spots, then i dont see how i could be mad about it. They did the work that i did not do myself. Those suggestions are missing the point of the topic
I never saw your list, I wasn't commenting on it at all. By what you've written here it seems as though you think the input of posters should affect a list, in this case Todd's, since you're pretty upset that he's not agreeing to change it based on your input and that of others. So naturally I assume that when you had the list you let others make suggestions which you then may have followed. If you did then naturally it'd be more popular because they'd get a voice in shaping it. Hell, it might be a better list regardless, I don't know, but you can't use the acceptance of visitors here as a reason for deserving it, the lists aren't made for their satisfaction or approval in the first place.
I also wasn't saying Todd deserved the list because his is so great. I've already said I disagree with Scarface's position, and unlike him I probably WOULD include all Wu-Tang releases under their name. I'm also sure if I looked more I would probably find other things I disagree with, maybe big, maybe small. That's not the issue though.
I understand you worked hard on your version of the list, you were proud of it, others liked it, no one's disputing that, but how exactly is it fair to Todd who ALSO worked hard on his to have the editorship simply taken from him? He was the editor and creator of the original list and he never voluntarily gave that up. You can buy a house and never move into it or keep it up, but that doesn't give someone else the right to move in themselves.
Also the editor's job is not to do any of the things you said - expand the list or participate in discussions on that list. It might be nice when they do, but the editor's role on the site, and I've been editing here longer than anyone but Rick, is simply to create list topics, come up with the criteria and rank the eligible artists/songs/albums in accordance with that. Participating on the forum is an entirely seperate thing. It is the moderator's job to interact. The fact that mods are often editors makes it easier, but is not a requirement and never has been. Furthermore 98% of the visitors on the site never step foot on the forum to discuss the lists (this is fact, not a guess), so the debate on the lists only encompasses a very, very small portion of those who see them and their approval or disapproval of the lists is irrelevant.
The point is, Todd IS here, he IS interacting now, he IS explaining the rankings by the criteria. If you think he's doing a bad job then keep making your points using that criteria and if you are right on those points I'll support you on those arguments. If you are consistently making better arguments than he is you'll keep the respect you believe you've earned on the subject and will probably gain new respect in the process, maybe even from Todd and maybe those arguments will get him to change his mind. If you do it tactfully then if Todd ever decides to step away he might even voluntarily hand the list over to you for good, with his blessing and his assurance he will not ask to take it back.
But if you complain that you feel the list was wrongly taken away from you, or if you continually question Todd's competency, or argue with me over an editor's autonomy, then you won't be accomplishing the very thing you want, which is a better list.