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Seconded.

i've only not listened to 13 albums in the top 100.

i just saw this and having Superunknown in the 30s and no album by alice in chains is confusing, and all i can think is that it was overlooked .... cause both jar of Flies and Dirt would fit in very nicely in the top 60 and 40 respectively .....

There is something extremely itchy about Kid A beating Disintegration.

There's something wrong with the VU's s/t being ahead of both imo. Seems to me that's just that high because it's a VU album rather than because it's a great alt. album.

I'll be working to update this list next.

EDIT: OK, here's the VERY ROUGH draft of the new list. "Very Rough" meaning all I did was eliminate the albums from artists on the "influences" sub-section of the Artists list, and add new albums at the bottom (#168-#200).

This needs significant work. Anyone got suggestions? Albums that are missing? There's alot of albums in the new section that absolutely should be higher, but how high?

1. Nevermind - Nirvana
2. Daydream Nation - Sonic Youth
3. The Queen is Dead - The Smiths
4. Remain in Light - Talking Heads
5. Murmur - R.E.M.
6. Doolittle - Pixies
7. OK Computer - Radiohead
8. The Joshua Tree - U2
9. Unknown Pleasures - Joy Division
10. Closer - Joy Division
11. This Year’s Model - Elvis Costello & the Attractions
12. The Stone Roses - The Stone Roses
13. Loveless - My Bloody Valentine
14. Ten - Pearl Jam
15. Kid A - Radiohead
16. Zen Arcade - Hüsker Dü
17. Disintegration - The Cure
18. The Smiths - The Smiths
19. Mellon Collie and the Infinite Sadness - Smashing Pumpkins
20. Surfer Rosa - Pixies
21. Blood Sugar Sex Magik - Red Hot Chili Peppers
22. Spiderland - Slint
23. In the Aeroplane Over the Sea - Neutral Milk Hotel
24. Superunknown - Soundgarden
25. You're Living All Over Me - Dinosaur Jr.
26. Slanted & Enchanted - Pavement
27. Crooked Rain, Crooked Rain - Pavement
28. The Downward Spiral - Nine Inch Nails
29. Psychocandy - The Jesus and Mary Chain
30. Automatic for the People - R.E.M.
31. The Bends - Radiohead
32. 13 Songs - Fugazi
33. Pink Flag - Wire
34. In Utero - Nirvana
35. (What's the Story) Morning Glory? - Oasis
36. My Aim is True - Elvis Costello
37. Is this It? - The Strokes
38. Spirit of Eden - Talk Talk
39. Vs. - Mission of Burma
40. Odelay - Beck
41. Nothing's Shocking - Jane's Addiction
42. Let it Be - The Replacements
43. Metal Box/Second Edition - Public Image Ltd.
44. Technique - New Order
45. Entertainment! - Gang of Four
46. Dookie - Green Day
47. Violator - Depeche Mode
48. Achtung Baby - U2
49. Double Nickels on the Dime - Minutemen
50. Debut - Bjork
51. This Nation’s Saving Grace - The Fall
52. The Holy Bible - Manic Street Preachers
53. Parklife - Blur
54. Grace - Jeff Buckley
55. Hounds of Love - Kate Bush
56. All Mod Cons - The Jam
57. Screamadelica - Primal Scream
58. Yankee Hotel Foxtrot - Wilco
59. Sister - Sonic Youth
60. Siamese Dream - The Smashing Pumpkins
61. Violent Femmes - Violent Femmes
62. Lift Yr Skinny Fists Like Antennas to Heaven - Godspeed You! Black Emperor
63. Millions Now Living Will Never Die - Tortoise
64. Funeral - Arcade Fire
65. War - U2
66. Suede - Suede
67. Mogwai Young Team - Mogwai
68. Laughing Stock - Talk Talk
69. The Soft Bulletin - The Flaming Lips
70. Speaking in Tongues - Talking Heads
71. Bee Thousand - Guided By Voices
72. New Day Rising - Hüsker Dü
73. I Can Feel the Heart Beating as One - Yo La Tengo
74. Tim - The Replacements
75. Different Class - Pulp
76. Mellow Gold - Beck
77. Pinkerton - Weezer
78. Colossal Youth - Young Marble Giants
79. Exile in Guyville - Liz Phair
80. If You're Feeling Sinister - Belle & Sebastian
81. To Bring You My Love - PJ Harvey
82. Dummy - Portishead
83. Moon & Antartica - Modest Mouse
84. Killing Joke - Killing Joke
85. Power, Corruption & Lies - New Order
86. Kaleidoscope - Siouxie & the Banshees
87. Chairs Missing - Wire
88. Emperor Tomato Ketchup - Stereolab
89. More Songs About Buildings and Food - Talking Heads
90. In Rainbows - Radiohead
91. MTV Unplugged in New York - Nirvana
92. Definitely Maybe - Oasis
93. A Rush of Blood to the Head - Coldplay
94. The Unforgettable Fire - U2
95. Crazy Rhythms - The Feelies
96. On Fire - Galaxie 500
97. In the Flat Field - Bauhaus
98. It'll End In Tears - This Mortal Coil
99. Isn't Anything - My Bloody Valentine
100. Hex Enduction Hour - The Fall

101. Either/Or - Elliot Smith
102. Nowhere - Ride
103. Script of the Bridge - The Chameleons
104. 16 Lovers Lane - The Go-Betweens
105. Meat is Murder - The Smiths
106. Souvlaki - Slowdive
107. Urban Hymns - The Verve
108. Ocean Rain - Echo & the Bunnymen
109. Document - R.E.M.
110. Tender Prey - Nick Cave & the Bad Seeds
111. Kiss Me, Kiss Me, Kiss Me - The Cure
112. Repeater - Fugazi
113. EVOL - Sonic Youth
114. Superfuzz Bigmuff - Mudhoney
115. Armed Forces - Elvis Costello & the Attractions
116. Fear of Music - Talking Heads
117. Hex - Bark Psychosis
118. 154 - Wire
119. Everything Must Go - Manic Street Preachers
120. Music for the Masses - Depeche Mode
121. Songs About Fucking - Big Black
122. Argybargy - Squeeze
123. Pills 'n' Thrills and Bellyaches - Happy Mondays
124. Stories from the City, Stories from the Sea - PJ Harvey
125. II - Meat Puppets
126. Green - R.E.M.
127. () - Sigur Rós
128. English Settlement - XTC
129. Sound Affects - The Jam
130. Heaven or Las Vegas - Cocteau Twins
131. Vitalogy - Pearl Jam
132. Weezer (The Blue Album) - Weezer
133. Goo - Sonic Youth
134. Californication - Red Hot Chili Peppers
135. In the City - The Jam
136. First Issue/Public Image - Public Image Ltd.
137. Turn On the Bright Lights - Interpol
138. Yoshimi Battles the Pink Robots - The Flaming Lips
139. Flood - They Might Be Giants
140. Whatever They Say I am, That's What I'm Not - Arctic Monkeys
141. Post - Bjork
142. Down Colorful Hill - Red House Painters
143. Absolution - Muse
144. Goat - The Jesus Lizard
145. In My Tribe - 10,000 Maniacs
146. Setting Sons - The Jam
147. Elephant - The White Stripes
148. Rid of Me - PJ Harvey
149. I Could Live in Hope - Low
150. Atomizer - Big Black
151. Pornography - The Cure
152. Music from the Unrealized Film Script, Dusk at Cubist Castle - Olivia Tremor Control
153. Sea Change - Beck
154. Strangeways, Here We Come - The Smiths
155. Illinois - Sufjan Stevens
156. Return to Cookie Mountain - T.V. On the Radio
157. Emergency & I - The Dismemberment Plan
158. Dirty - Sonic Youth
159. Ritual de lo Habitual - Jane's Addiction
160. Ladies and Gentlemen We are Floating in Space - Spiritualized
161. Pure Guava - Ween
162. The Mollusk - Ween
163. Let Love In - Nick Cave & the Bad Seeds
164. A Picture of Nectar - Phish
165. f#a#(infinity) - Godspeed You! Black Emperor
166. The Colour and the Shape - Foo Fighters
167. Skylarking - XTC
168. From Her to Eternity - Nick Cave & the Bad Seeds
169. The Colour of Spring - Talk Talk
170. Talk Talk Talk - The Psychedelic Furs
171. You Forgot it in People - Broken Social Scene
172. 69 Love Songs - The Magnetic Fields
173. The Head on the Door - The Cure
174. Treasure - Cocteau Twins
175. Children of God - Swans
176. Underwater Moonlight - The Soft Boys
177. Blur - Blur
178. Earth, Sun, Moon - Love and Rockets
179. Diesel and Dust - Midnight Oil
180. The Perfect Prescription - Spacemen 3
181. Hunkpapa - Throwing Muses
182. Bakesale - Sebadoh
183. Soul Mining - The The
184. Diary - Sunny Day Real Estate
185. Life's Too Good - The Sugarcubes
186. Buy - James Chance & The Controtions
187. Hot Fuss - The Killers
188. Cure for Pain - Morphine
189. The Specials - The Specials
190. And Don't the Kids Just Love It - Television Personalities
191. Purple - Stone Temple Pilots
192. Real Life - Magazine
193. Vauxhall and I - Morrissey
194. Porcupine - Echo & The Bunnymen
195. Tragic Kingdom - No Doubt
196. The Rise and Fall - Madness
197. Telephone Free Landslide Victory - Camper van Beethoven
198. Everybody Else Is Doing It, So Why Can't We? - The Cranberries
199. Electro-Shock Blues - Eels
200. Jamboree - Beat Happening

Is the list based on the greatness of the albums within alternative culture, within rock music as a whole or a mix of both? If it's the first I don't think "Nevermind" should be #1. "OK Computer" could move up a little. "Murmur" should move into the Top 10. I don't think "Zen Arcade", "You're Living All Over Me" and MoB's "Vs." need to be quite that high. Some albums in the lower reach that I think should move up are "Post", "Double Nickels on the Dime", "Specials", "Skylarking", "Funeral", "Dummy" and "Dookie".

Mix of both, with influence, acclaim and popularity within alternative culture and from alternative music critics (and i'm including Spin, Allmusic and Robert Christgau as "alternative critics") being more important than Mainstream influence/acclaim/popularity.

Nevermind, Daydream Nation, Murmur and Remain in Light all have good arguments towards them each being #1 on this list.



Where do you think these albums should go? They're all getting into the Top 100, and "Dookie" and "DNotD" are easily in the Top 50, though.

Not sure. They just seemed awfully low. I guess they should be in the Top 100 at least. "Homogenic" could be added as well.

That look better? I moved some stuff up.

Also, I replaced a couple albums. There was no reason for Nick Cave's "Abattoir Blues/The Lyre of Orpheus" to be on the list in place of "Tender Prey", which is far more acclaimed.

I thought that was a given. Also I think you know more about alternative music than I do, so I'll just say it looks great.

Forgot about that one. I put it at #5.

I love 2000's rock music and there's always some kind of bias against the music from that decade. I personally think "Whatever People Say I Am, That's What I'm Not" is a near perfect album and should at least be in the Top100.