Classic Rock Junkie wrote:
I think London Calling still take Nation of Millions. As long as musical impact equates to critical response from peers and the industry, aka acclaim, I feel Calling wins. Breakdown:
Influence: NoM, but by a bit. I'm leaning towards NoM, as people say musical impact being NoM affected rap, and rap being the apparently 'greater' genre (which I think is bull), it gets it. My argument would be NoM is the most influential rap album ever. London Calling is not the most influential punk album ever, though it does have some major influence, I don't think it compares to NoM. But London Calling did outstretch to many other groups and genres as a well listened and praised album, but I'm not sure if any of those bands in other genres took influence. So NoM.
Popularity: I think this was a criteria, and I'm pretty sure it's London Calling. Sales should show this.
Musical Impact/Acclaim: here's the confusing one. If this is in fact Acclaim, so peer and music industry response, it would be London Calling by quite a bit. London Calling is one of the most critically acclaimed and best reviewed albums of all time, way up there, probably top 10 most acclaimed albums. I hear nothing but greatness about it from any review or musician discussing the album. It get really high on lists strictly on it's acclaim. NoM was acclaimed by quite a few, and as time passes we will probably see even greater appreciation for it as rap grows, but as of now, London Calling takes Acclaim/Musical Impact by quite a large margin as far as I know.
So, it's 2:1 in favor of London, unless Influence trumps shit in which case it's 2:2 and I don't know what to do. Also, I feel London could take EP, it wins popularity and acclaim as well from what I know, however EP has some massive influence that might be great enough to put it ahead of LC. Don't know.
There is no feasible argument for punk to be greater than hip-hop. Rap isn't just "apparently" the greater genre: it is.
Anyway, back to NoM vs. LC:
Influence: NoM by a galaxy. It influenced the entirety of hip-hop, from lyrical content to production style to sampling techniques. Considering that hip-hop is a very, very large and diverse subgenre, that's something. LC, on the other hand, has almost no influence to speak of, punk or otherwise. Most of the factors it incorporated were new to punk music, but no one in the genre was interested in equaling LC's scope. Most of punk's influence stems from Never Mind The Bollocks and the Clash's eponymous debut. Looking at rock's big picture, LC didn't really introduce anything new to the genre: double album, done; musical work, done; lyrical content, done.
Popularity: LC, but not even by half as much as NoM wins influence.
Musical Impact: Rap has probably grown way bigger than you think. The fact that every single hip-hop artist loves NoM (it's practically hip-hop's Bible, along with Raising Hell) pretty much trumps LC's acclaim, which is also very, very big. It's a matter of demographic, which plays a larger role than one might think.
Overall: NoM, by virtue of their massive influence lead and the iffyness of the Musical Impact of both.
Also, LC has no chance of beating EP by the criteria. None.