But we have to draw the line somewhere! Pop songs like Umbrella with little cameos by rappers should not count.

And can Hey Ya even be considered as rap? It's a fantastic song but more singing than rapping.

Ms Jackson, on the other hand, could be here.

There are some hip hop songs that are song more than rap. But for inclusion on this list, it doesn't matter. If "Hey Ya" is funk rather than hip hop, it still belongs.

Look at this list in comparison to this one:

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I know musical taste is subjective, but I can't help but think that music in general has really deteriorated.

You're a bit stupid if you think that.

I do like a lot of the songs on this list, but I hate a lot of them too.

And yeah, I'm probably a bit stupid.

In my opinion I feel that the list was done in a hasty manner as there are many songs that should not be and many others that are omitted.

What do you think are the biggest omissions and the least deserving inclusions?

The big ommision is "Hurt" of Cash

And I don't understand this:



how can it be possible ? ? ?

initially it was decided "Hurt" was a country song, even though its a cover of a rock song in an acoustic folk-rock style by a country artist. But it was later decided it was indeed a rock song, and Skullkid was supposed to add it in, replacing David Guetta's "Sexy Bitch" (but higher). There was actually a slightly different second version of this list is not on the website and was not imported from the old forum, mostly because Skullkid kinda disappeared while we were in the process of making it.

two songs by the same artist back-to-back represent that those songs are equal in terms of criteria.

For what I'm concerned this demonstrates the lack of criteria by who elaborated the list, because how can it is possible that a song like "Just Dance" is on the list, being that only part of the criteria that it meets is popularity.

There are songs more popular than "Just Dance" that are out.

Almost all of Lady Gaga's singles have had a great deal of cultural impact, a good deal of critical acclaim, and a handful (Just Dance included) have even had a bit of musical impact, so I don't know quite what you're talking about.

First of all define what you understand for cultural impact.

Second the only song that have a good critical acclaim is "Poker Face", and maybe "Bad Romance" but we have to wait until the EOY list come out.

And third, I do not seem that Lady Gaga is promoting something new, just listen to Britney Spears.

I think it's pretty self-explanatory. In the world there are cultures, and Gaga has certainly had an impact on several of them, including the LGBT culture, the pop culture in general, as well as academic culture (I believe at least one university has a Lady Gaga course).


Just Dance, Paparazzi and Telephone have all received critical acclaim that is not significantly different from the acclaim of either of those songs. Check out the links to reviews you can find on their Wikipedia pages.


"Promoting something new" isn't part of the criteria. That said, Britney Spears is not the same as Lady Gaga. For one thing, on a purely musical level, Gaga's music makes much more use of European electronic music than Britney Spears' music ever did, which has always been firmly rooted in thoroughly American R&B and pop sensibilities. Beyond this, Britney is largely a traditionally packaged heterosexual sex object of a pop star, while Gaga is almost completely androgynous and very much influenced by and an influence upon LGBT culture.

In that case, the cultural impact would fall more on the figure of Lady Gaga than in their songs.



I would check that, but at least in the EOD list the only song that appears is "Poker Face"



So what would be considered the musical impact.

What? Why do you say that? The content of the songs is as provocative as her image. In the class I'm sure they study her image, but I'm also sure they study her lyrics. I've attended several lectures where Telephone has been used to illustrate changing notions of femininity. Added to this several of her song lyrics have entered into common American slang. If these do not qualify as cultural impact, then I don't know what does. What songs would you point to from the 00s that have significant cultural impact?


Well if we define musical impact as the respect of other musicians (as I believe it is defined on other lists?) then I'll point you to how Nelly Furtado, Janet Jackson, Lily Allen, 50 Cent, Madonna, Shakira, James Blunt and even Rob Halford all claim to love her music.