Why is led zep iv the best epic album? Staitway is the only song on it i would consider an epic.

Battle of Evermore / When the Levee Breaks

Fair enough, though I think a greater emphasis could be made on the difference between an epic and a long song. Also, I think there is a case for Wish You Were Here being the greatest epic album.

That, I might agree with. But what's the criteria for the albums?

I guess i just assumed its the same criteria as songs, just applied to the album as a whole. Can anyone clarify?

Timitzii probably could

You Can't Always Get What You Want is criminally low.

this actually got posted on the main page too , damn impressive work by Timi .... and though i still dont agree with Stairway being 2 , with the complexity and effort put into Bohemnian , i guess it may as well be 1 ....

Still love Bat out of hell album and song, not sure if i saw the song in the song list but it should be in top 10.

both that and american pie need to be in the top 10 over a lot of other songs that are on there ...

American Pie could jump three or four spots maybe, but not much more.

How is War Pigs an epic and how is it or any of the 11-20 ahead of Close to the Edge, which is one of the most definitive, important, and impressive epics of rock history, if by epic you mean what I think you do. Epic isn't really defined well, since A Day in the Life and Master of Puppets are not epics either by what I consider an 'epic'. Half of these are just 7-8 minute songs, I don't think that's a criteria for an epic, 8 minutes or longer, there should be more to it.

How would you define it?

Obviously we can't use the Greek definition.

I said earlier that there should be more emphasis on that. I wouldn't discard all the songs that are just long though. We need Timitziis opinion before we act on that though.

"Epic" is defined in the first post of this thread.