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 Post subject: Re: Greatest Rock Songs of the '70s
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 Post subject: Re: Greatest Rock Songs of the '70s
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 Post subject: Re: Greatest Rock Songs of the '70s
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But anyway, as Machine Head said, lyrics aren't part of the criteria. Both songs are very popular and highly acclaimed. "Imagine" is a little more acclaimed, both "Hotel California" does extremely well in about any measure of popularity you can name.


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 Post subject: Re: Greatest Rock Songs of the '70s
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Besides being a better song than Imagine, anyway.


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 Post subject: Re: Greatest Rock Songs of the '70s
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I'm confused: Hotel California > Bo Rhap?


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 Post subject: Re: Greatest Rock Songs of the '70s
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Intial popularity: HC
Lasting popularity: BR
Acclaim: tie

They're also really close in both of the popularity thingies. I'd say HC's advantage in initial popularity is slightly bigger than BoRhap's in lasting.


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I think Bo Rhap's lasting popularity lead is enough to make up for HC's initial popularity lead. Also, if influence is a criterion, the Bo Rhap wins that, influencing vocal harmonies, song structure, and the length of a hit single.


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Bo Rhap's initial popularity was huge too, the song made the top spot in the Uk charts for nine consecutive weeks.


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 Post subject: Re: Greatest Rock Songs of the '70s
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I'm confused: Hotel California > Bo Rhap?


Rhapsody > Hotel > Imagine I think.


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 Post subject: Re: Greatest Rock Songs of the '70s
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I would give HC a significant advantage over BR in acclaim. Even acclaimedmusic.net, which has a little bit of a British tilt, has HC at #43 all-time and BR at #68. I'd say the Rolling Stone survey, which has HC at #49 and BR at #163, is a more accurate representation of the acclaim of the 2 songs.

They are both among the top songs of the decade in lasting popularity, but in the US, HC has consistently been an extremely popular song from its release to the present, where BR was much less popular during the late '70s and '80s. It became much more popular at the time that it was featured in Wayne's World in the early '90s, but I think it's still not quite at the HC level. When I compiled several surveys from US "classic rock" stations a few years ago, "Stairway to Heaven" did the best among '70s songs, followed by HC and "Layla". This is BR's strongest radio format.

In Europe, it's another matter, but the last time I saw the APCchart for Europe, BR was the #1 song of the '70s, and HC was #4, so even there the advantage isn't all that big.

Last time I checked, HC was the only '70s song to be certified platinum as a digital single in the US. This is one way of measuring lasting popularity for '70s songs because there were no digital singles until the mid '80s.


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 Post subject: Re: Greatest Rock Songs of the '70s
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Since Acclaimedmusic.com combines other lists that often factor popularity into their rankings, it's not a pure measure of acclaim, so it should definitely be taken with a grain of salt.


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 Post subject: Re: Greatest Rock Songs of the '70s
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I've also noticed acclaimed music has screwed up their sources or been disingenuous (even if it's accidental) on who gets credited on what lists. I really, really don't like the site and have never really taken anything they said to be anymore true than RS magazine. That said, do think HC has a lead on BR, but I think the gap between them is smaller than you seem to imply, BR popularity is still huge.


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 Post subject: Re: Greatest Rock Songs of the '70s
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Brian wrote:
I would give HC a significant advantage over BR in acclaim. Even acclaimedmusic.net, which has a little bit of a British tilt, has HC at #43 all-time and BR at #68. I'd say the Rolling Stone survey, which has HC at #49 and BR at #163, is a more accurate representation of the acclaim of the 2 songs.

They are both among the top songs of the decade in lasting popularity, but in the US, HC has consistently been an extremely popular song from its release to the present, where BR was much less popular during the late '70s and '80s. It became much more popular at the time that it was featured in Wayne's World in the early '90s, but I think it's still not quite at the HC level. When I compiled several surveys from US "classic rock" stations a few years ago, "Stairway to Heaven" did the best among '70s songs, followed by HC and "Layla". This is BR's strongest radio format.

In Europe, it's another matter, but the last time I saw the APCchart for Europe, BR was the #1 song of the '70s, and HC was #4, so even there the advantage isn't all that big.

Last time I checked, HC was the only '70s song to be certified platinum as a digital single in the US. This is one way of measuring lasting popularity for '70s songs because there were no digital singles until the mid '80s.


Europe for the 70`s .... Take care

APC chart http://www.euro200.eu/

1 9 7 0 - 1 9 7 9

position apc-rank performer(s) title year apc peak
1 1 QUEEN BOHEMIAN RHAPSODY 1975 1
2 2 DEEP PURPLE CHILD IN TIME 1972 1
3 4 ROLLING STONES, THE ANGIE 1973 3
4 5 EAGLES, THE HOTEL CALIFORNIA 1977 3
5 6 LED ZEPPELIN STAIRWAY TO HEAVEN 1971 5
6 7 MEAT LOAF PARADISE BY THE DASHBOARD LIGHT 1978 4
7 10 JOHN LENNON IMAGINE 1971 8
8 12 GOLDEN EARRING, THE RADAR LOVE 1973 8
9 21 PINK FLOYD ANOTHER BRICK IN THE WALL 1979 13
10 25 JOHN MILES MUSIC 1976 11
11 28 DIRE STRAITS SULTANS OF SWING 1978 15
12 39 DOORS, THE RIDERS ON THE STORM 1971 11
13 44 AC/DC WHOLE LOTTA ROSIE 1978 14
14 52 ABBA DANCING QUEEN 1976 29
15 54 BEATLES, THE LET IT BE 1970 28
16 67 BLACK SABBATH PARANOID 1970 19
17 77 KISS I WAS MADE FOR LOVING YOU 1979 24
18 84 SIMON & GARFUNKEL BRIDGE OVER TROUBLED WATER 1970 18
19 97 DEREK & THE DOMINO'S & ERIC CLAPTON LAYLA 1971 53
20 105 FLEETWOOD MAC GO YOUR OWN WAY 1977 31
21 108 SUPERTRAMP SCHOOL 1974 22
22 112 ROLLING STONES, THE SYMPATHY FOR THE DEVIL 1973 62
23 120 KATE BUSH WUTHERING HEIGHTS 1978 53
24 123 KINKS, THE LOLA 1970 35
25 126 10CC DREADLOCK HOLIDAY 1978 59
26 129 10CC I'M NOT IN LOVE 1975 37
27 133 BOB MARLEY & THE WAILERS NO WOMAN NO CRY 1975 79
28 134 DAVID BOWIE HEROES 1977 60
29 135 ART GARFUNKEL BRIGHT EYES 1979 56
30 139 PETER MAFFAY DU 1971 98
31 140 POLICE, THE ROXANNE 1978 34
32 142 BEE GEES, THE STAYIN' ALIVE 1978 98
33 148 BOSTON MORE THAN A FEELING 1977 43
34 160 CREEDENCE CLEARWATER REVIVAL I PUT A SPELL ON YOU 1972 27
35 165 NORMAAL OEREND HARD 1977 46
36 168 ALICE COOPER HALO OF FLIES 1973 26
37 171 QUEEN SOMEBODY TO LOVE 1976 101
38 190 STEVE HARLEY & COCKNEY REBEL SEBASTIAN 1973 71
39 191 ERIC CLAPTON WONDERFUL TONIGHT 1978 114
40 194 ELECTRIC LIGHT ORCHESTRA MR. BLUE SKY 1978 70
41 202 DEEP PURPLE SMOKE ON THE WATER 1973 103
42 204 CHICAGO IF YOU LEAVE ME NOW 1976 107
43 214 NAZARETH LOVE HURTS 1974 28
44 216 ROD STEWART SAILING 1975 41
45 226 IKE & TINA TURNER PROUD MARY 1971 108
46 227 STATUS QUO ROLL OVER LAY DOWN 1975 35
47 238 QUEEN WE WILL ROCK YOU 1977 143
48 260 QUEEN WE ARE THE CHAMPIONS 1977 157
49 261 ELTON JOHN CANDLE IN THE WIND 1973 172
50 268 PINK FLOYD WISH YOU WERE HERE 1975 176
51 275 AL STEWART YEAR OF THE CAT 1977 139
52 285 BLONDIE DENIS 1978 162
53 303 ALICE COOPER HOW YOU GONNA SEE ME NOW 1978 147
54 305 ABBA WATERLOO 1974 162
55 310 PINK FLOYD SHINE ON YOU CRAZY DIAMOND 1975 198
56 321 QUEEN KILLER QUEEN 1974 180
57 330 SANTANA SHE'S NOT THERE 1978 75
58 331 BUOYS, THE GIVE UP YOUR GUNS 1972 53
59 334 SANTANA SAMBA PA TI 1970 79
60 342 OLIVIA NEWTON-JOHN & JOHN TRAVOLTA YOU'RE THE ONE THAT I WANT 1978 96
61 359 BOUDEWIJN DE GROOT JIMMY (DE EENZAME FIETSER) 1973 200
62 372 MOODY BLUES, THE QUESTION 1970 65
63 380 BRUCE SPRINGSTEEN BORN TO RUN 1975 211
64 384 PETER GABRIEL SOLSBURY HILL 1977 194
65 386 SNIFF'N THE TEARS DRIVER'S SEAT 1979 198
66 387 NEIL YOUNG LIKE A HURRICANE 1976 217
67 392 PAUL MCCARTNEY & WINGS MULL OF KINTYRE 1977 144
68 393 BARRY WHITE YOU'RE THE FIRST, THE LAST, MY EVERYTHING 1974 253
69 397 RAM JAM BLACK BETTY 1978 61
70 403 IGGY POP LUST FOR LIFE 1977 113
71 410 SUPERTRAMP GIVE A LITTLE BIT 1977 116
72 411 TAVARES HEAVEN MUST BE MISSING AN ANGEL 1976 145
73 418 10CC THE WALL STREET SHUFFLE 1974 148
74 419 STATUS QUO DOWN DOWN 1975 61
75 422 PINK FLOYD MONEY 1973 182
76 425 BACHMAN TURNER OVERDRIVE YOU AIN'T SEEN NOTHING YET 1974 279
77 428 BILLY JOEL PIANO MAN 1975 244
78 429 URIAH HEEP EASY LIVIN' 1973 82
79 434 BEE GEES, THE NIGHT FEVER 1978 230
80 436 POLICE, THE MESSAGE IN A BOTTLE 1979 112
81 440 GLORIA GAYNOR I WILL SURVIVE 1979 211
82 443 VILLAGE PEOPLE, THE YMCA 1978 228
83 445 BEE GEES, THE HOW DEEP IS YOUR LOVE 1977 306
84 459 EARTH, WIND & FIRE FANTASY 1978 209
85 461 KANSAS DUST IN THE WIND 1978 262
86 465 NEIL YOUNG HEART OF GOLD 1972 264
87 469 GEORGE HARRISON MY SWEET LORD 1970 230
88 470 AMERICA A HORSE WITH NO NAME 1972 183
89 479 CREEDENCE CLEARWATER REVIVAL WHO'LL STOP THE RAIN 1970 163
90 480 CAT STEVENS MORNING HAS BROKEN 1972 275
91 482 ABBA THANK YOU FOR THE MUSIC 1978 277
92 483 HERMAN BROOD AND HIS WILD ROMANCE SATURDAY NIGHT 1978 265
93 491 BOB DYLAN HURRICANE 1975 210
94 493 MARK & CLARK BAND, THE WORN DOWN PIANO 1977 255
95 505 BONEY M RIVERS OF BABYLON 1978 190
96 508 LOU REED PERFECT DAY 1972 297
97 513 ABBA EAGLE 1978 299
98 517 GOLDEN EARRING, THE BACK HOME 1970 94
99 519 ABBA FERNANDO 1976 358
100 521 ELTON JOHN YOUR SONG 1971 342


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 Post subject: Re: Greatest Rock Songs of the '70s
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Brian wrote:
Last time I checked, HC was the only '70s song to be certified platinum as a digital single in the US. This is one way of measuring lasting popularity for '70s songs because there were no digital singles until the mid '80s.


Another way to look, would to be consider the number of views on Youtube for the must popular version of these songs, this would provide another dimension for lasting popularity as it relates to this point in time with Youtube only starting in 2005 in the US and 2007 in most other locations around the world .... Take care

For example

BoRap - 58,400,975

Stairway to Heaven - 55,834,073

Wish You Were Here - 53,381,770

We Are The Champions - 36,883,226

Your Song - 33,388,053

Layla - 27,868,145

Smoke on the Water - 22,612,742

I Will Survive - 20,802,057

Superstition - 19,120,662

Dream On - 19,102,617

Let it Be - 17,232,366

Paranoid - 16,605,517

Sweet Home Alabama - 16,015,372

Stayin Alive - 14,504,688

Sultans of Swing - 14,145,728

Child in Time - 13,263,454

Let`s Get it On - 13,141,407

American Pie - 12,791,922

Let`s Stay Together - 11,450,974

What`s Going On - 10,572,284

Kashmir - 10,476,565

Freebird - 10,133,024

More Than a Feeling - 9,500,452

Imagine - 9,339,254

Baba O`Riley - 9,312,219

Go Your Own Way - 7,428,211

Bridge Over Troubled Water - 6,980,293

Born to Run - 6,817,208

Walk This Way - 5,610,960

Brown Sugar - 5,552,529

Black Dog - 5,391,977

Heart of Gold - 5,249,240

Won`t Get Fooled Again - 5,208,072

Roxanne - 5,154,270

Maggie May - 4,391,881

Hotel California - 4,076,691

Anarchy in the UK - 3,872,852

London Calling - 3,339,029

Just my Imagination - 3,081,053

Heart of Glass - 2,650,617

Midnight Train to Georgia - 2,413,937

All Right Now - 1,973,991

Bang a Gong - 1,543,525

We`re an American Band - 1,514,610

Locomotive Breath - 1,500,377

You Make Me Feel Brand New - 1,330,724

Walk on the Wild Side - 1,108,842

Papa Was a Rolling Stone - 693,563


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 Post subject: Re: Greatest Rock Songs of the '70s
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That's a live version of "Baba O'Riley". There's also a studio version of "Baba O'Riley" on Youtube with over seven million views.


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