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 Post subject: 100 Greatest Rock Debut Albums
PostPosted: Sun Dec 04, 2011 5:51 pm 
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Criteria: - These debut albums were chosen and ranked based upon their initial and lasting popularity and their impact and influence on rock 'n' roll and its related genres. Also considered is whether or not any songs on the album were previously available for some time as singles before the album was released. A debut album is defined as the artist's first release of five songs or more, or of equivalent length.

Rock albums did not become very significant until the mid to late 60s. Before that most rock albums consisted mainly of songs that were previously released as singles, and/or remakes or covers of popular songs by other artists. The list will reflect this, and will not include many albums from before 1966. Solo albums from artists who were already long time superstars with prior groups (Ozzy Osbourne, ex-Beatles) and also new groups led by long time superstars from past groups (Derek & the Dominos, Traveling Wilburys, etc...) will not be considered as debut albums for the purposes of this list.

1. Are You Experienced? (1967) - (Jimi Hendrix Experience)
2. Led Zeppelin (1969) - (Led Zeppelin)
3. The Doors (1967) - (Doors)
4. Ten (1991) - (Pearl Jam)
5. Elvis Presley (1956) - (Elvis Presley)
6. Run-D.M.C. (1984) – Run-D.M.C.
7. Licensed To Ill (1986) – Beastie Boys
8. Whitney Houston (1985) - Whitney Houston
9. The Velvet Underground & Nico (1967) – Velvet Underground
10. Appetite For Destruction (1987) – Guns N' Roses
11. Van Halen (1978) – Van Halen
12. Mr. Tambourine Man (1965) – Byrds
13. Boston (1976) – Boston
14. Black Sabbath (1970) – Black Sabbath
15. My Aim Is True (1977) – Elvis Costello
16. Music From Big Pink (1968) – The Band
17. Please Please Me (1963) – The Beatles
18. Ramones (1976) – Ramones
19. Mariah Carey (1990) – Mariah Carey
20. Ready To Die (1994) – Notorious B.I.G.
21. If You Can Believe Your Eyes and Ears (1966) – The Mamas & The Papas
22. The Fame (2008) – Lady Gaga
23. Fresh Cream (1966) – Cream
24. Gonna Make You Sweat (1990) – C&C Music Factory
25. Chicago Transit Authority (1969) – Chicago
26. Kill 'Em All (1983) – Metallica
27. In The Court Of The Crimson King (1969) – King Crimson
28. Songs In A Minor (2001) – Alicia Keys
29. Kick Out The Jams (1969) – MC5
30. The College Dropout (2004) – Kanye West
31. What's The 411? (1992) – Mary J. Blige
32. Paid In Full (1987) – Eric B & Rakim
33. Vincebus Eruptum (1968) – Blue Cheer
34. Never Mind The Bollocks Here's The Sex Pistols (1977) – Sex Pistols
35. Yourself Or Something Like You (1996) – Matchbox 20
36. 3 Feet High And Rising (1989) – De La Soul
37. Dire Straits (1978) – Dire Straits
38. Ooooooohhh...On The TLC Tip (1992) – TLC
39. The Stooges (1969) – Stooges
40. The Pretenders (1980) – The Pretenders
41. Piper At The Gates Of Dawn (1967) – Pink Floyd
42. Santana (1969) – Santana
43. The Cars (1978) – The Cars
44. Illmatic (1994) – Nas
45. Freak Out (1966) – Mothers Of Invention
46. Reasonable Doubt (1996) – Jay-Z
47. Unknown Pleasures (1979) – Joy Division
48. Enter The Wu-Tang: 36 Chambers (1993) – Wu-Tang Clan
49. Can't Buy A Thrill (1972) – Steely Dan
50. My Generation (1965) – The Who
51. Rolling Stones (1964) – Rolling Stones
52. The Stylistics (1971) – The Stylistics
53. Forever Your Girl (1988) – Paula Abdul
54. Boy (1980) – U2
55. The B-52s (1979) – The B-52s
56. Bluejean Bop (1956) – Gene Vincent & the Blue Caps
57. Fresh Cream (1966) – Cream
58. Pieces Of You (1995) – Jewel
59. The Chirping Crickets (1957) – Buddy Holly & the Crickets
60. The Clash (1977) – The Clash
61. Texas Flood (1983) – Stevie Ray Vaughan & Double Trouble
62. Horses (1975) – Patti Smith Group
63. Look Sharp! (1979) – Joe Jackson
64. Creedence Clearwater Revival (1968) – Creedence Clearwater Revival
65. The Monkees (1966) – The Monkees
66. Christopher Cross (1979) – Christopher Cross
67. Dreamboat Annie (1976) – Heart
68. Beauty And The Beat (1981) – The Go-Go's
69. New York Dolls (1973) – New York Dolls
70. Madonna (1983) – Madonna
71. Outlandos d'Amour (1978) – The Police
72. Supa Dupa Fly (1997) – Missy "Misdemeanor" Elliott
73. 3 Years, 5 Months & 2 Days in the Life Of... (1992) – Arrested Development
74. Shotgun (1965) – Jr. Walker & The All-Stars
75. The Smiths (1984) – The Smiths
76. Eagles (1972) – Eagles
77. Tom Petty & the Heartbreakers (1976) – Tom Petty & the Heartbreakers
78. Greetings From Asbury Park, N.J. (1973) – Bruce Springsteen
79. Steppenwolf (1968) – Steppenwolf
80. Tuesday Night Music Club (1994) – Sheryl Crow
81. ...Baby One More Time (1999) – Britney Spears
82. Procol Harum (1967) – Procol Harum
83. Aerosmith (1973) – Aerosmith
84. Rage Against The Machine (1992) – Rage Against The Machine
85. Foreigner (1977) – Foreigner
86. Diana Ross Presents The Jackson 5 (1969) – Jackson 5
87. Radio (1985) – LL Cool J
88. Blue Lines (1991) – Massive Attack
89. The Animals (1964) – The Animals
90. Green Onions (1962) – Booker T. & the MG's
91. Country Grammar (2000) – Nelly
92. The Stone Roses (1989) – The Stone Roses
93. Marquee Moon (1977) – Television
94. Yo! Bum Rush The Show (1987) – Public Enemy
95. Doo Wops And Hooligans (2010) – Bruno Mars
96. Psychocandy (1985) – The Jesus & Mary Chain
97. The Meters (1969) – The Meters
98. Iron Maiden (1980) – Iron Maiden
99. Big Brother & The Holding Company (1967) – Big Brother & the Holding Company
100. Is This It (2001) – The Strokes
101. Tubular Bells (1973) – Mike Oldfield
102. In The Heat Of The Night (1979) – Pat Benatar
103. Get The Knack (1979) – The Knack
104. 19 (2008) – Adele
105. Sixteen Stone (1994) – Bush
106. Pretty Hate Machine (1989) – Nine Inch Nails
107. Cypress Hill (1991) – Cypress Hill
108. Shake Your Money Maker (1990) – The Black Crowes
109. Long Live The Kane (1988) – Big Daddy Kane
110. Definitely Maybe (1994) – Oasis
111. Roxy Music (1972) – Roxy Music
112. The Young Rascals (1966) – The Young Rascals
113. With A Little Help From My Friends (1969) – Joe Cocker
114. Grace (1994) – Jeff Buckley
115. Talking Heads: 77 (1977) – Talking Heads
116. Toni Braxton (1993) - Toni Braxton
117. Songs Of Leonard Cohen (1967) – Leonard Cohen
118. Stray Cats (1981) – The Stray Cats
119. # 1 Record (1972) – Big Star
120. Brown Sugar (1995) – D'Angelo
121. Walk Don't Run (1960) – The Ventures
122. It's Dark And Hell Is Hot (1998) – DMX
123. The Modern Lovers (1976) - Jonathan Richman & the Modern Lovers
124. Southernplayalisticadillacmuzik (1994) - Outkast
125. Funkadelic (1970) – Funkadelic
126. George Thorogood & The Destroyers (1977) – George Thorogood & The Destroyers
127. Vanilla Fudge (1967) – Vanilla Fudge
128. Violent Femmes (1983) – Violent Femmes
129. Queen (1973) – Queen
130. Buffalo Springfield (1966) – Buffalo Springfield
131. August And Everything After (1993) – Counting Crows
132. The Way It Is (1986) – Bruce Hornsby & The Range
133. Here's Little Richard (1957) – Little Richard
134. Weezer (1994) – Weezer
135. Kurtis Blow (1980) - Kurtis Blow
136. Fresh Fruit For Rotting Vegetables (1980) – Dead Kennedys
137. It's About Time (1992) – SWV
138. Surfers' Choice (1962) – Dick Dale
139. Never Too Much (1981) - Luther Vandross
140. Do You Believe In Magic (1965) – The Lovin' Spoonful
141. Age Ain't Nothing But A Number (1994) – Aaliyah
142. Vivid (1988) – Living Colour
143. Cooleyhighharmony (1991) - Boyz II Men
144. Endtroducing... (1996) – DJ Shadow
145. Core (1992) – Stone Temple Pilots
146. Make It Last Forever (1987) - Keith Sweat
147. Chronic Town (1982) – REM
148. Dummy (1994) – Portishead
149. 2Pacalypse Now (1991) – 2Pac
150. Baduizm (1997) - Erykah Badu


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 Post subject: Re: 100 Greatest Rock Debut Albums
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Don't know how I missed making a thread for this when the new forum started, but if I did I can't find it now.

Anyway, the editors were talking about whether there are newer albums that belong here. I think we've found at least three:

Songs In A Minor (2001) - Alicia Keys
The Fame (2008) - Lady Gaga
Is This It (2001) - The Strokes

I see the first two as somewhere around 25-30 on the list and the Strokes further down.

Eminem, Coldplay, and Arcade Fire definitely had other releases before their breakthrough album. Kanye West had a couple of mixtapes before The College Dropout, and I'm thinking they are enough to disqualify the latter. Brian suggested the Gnarls Barkley debut, but I'm inclined to classify them more as a supergroup than a new artist.

Thoughts? Am I forgetting something important?


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Is Never Mind the Bollocks so low because of all the singles that were released first?


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 Post subject: Re: 100 Greatest Rock Debut Albums
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a_man_named_gray wrote:
Is Never Mind the Bollocks so low because of all the singles that were released first?


Yes. We felt that that lessened the impact of the album in itself.


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 Post subject: Re: 100 Greatest Rock Debut Albums
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Brett Alan wrote:
Don't know how I missed making a thread for this when the new forum started, but if I did I can't find it now.

Anyway, the editors were talking about whether there are newer albums that belong here. I think we've found at least three:

Songs In A Minor (2001) - Alicia Keys
The Fame (2008) - Lady Gaga
Is This It (2001) - The Strokes

I see the first two as somewhere around 25-30 on the list and the Strokes further down.

Thoughts? Am I forgetting something important?


I guess the Stray Cats is gonna have to go. Not sure what else should leave though. Everything else near the bottom is pretty significant IMO.


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 Post subject: Re: 100 Greatest Rock Debut Albums
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Bruce wrote:
Brett Alan wrote:
Don't know how I missed making a thread for this when the new forum started, but if I did I can't find it now.

Anyway, the editors were talking about whether there are newer albums that belong here. I think we've found at least three:

Songs In A Minor (2001) - Alicia Keys
The Fame (2008) - Lady Gaga
Is This It (2001) - The Strokes

I see the first two as somewhere around 25-30 on the list and the Strokes further down.

Thoughts? Am I forgetting something important?


I guess the Stray Cats is gonna have to go. Not sure what else should leave though. Everything else near the bottom is pretty significant IMO.


I know the Big Star is a favorite for you, but it certainly was not significant when it was current. If I can let the Stray Cats go maybe you can let that one go :-)

Maybe the Black Crowes should be the third album to go. It doesn't seem to have retained much popularity or any influence over the last few years.


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 Post subject: Re: 100 Greatest Rock Debut Albums
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Also Brett, The Strokes would be difficult to get in this list for the same reason you disqualify Arcade Fire: there was an EP, The Modern Age, released before Is This It which was the source of their initial hype.

Brett Alan wrote:
Thoughts? Am I forgetting something important?


hmm... Hybrid Theory by Linkin Park? That record sold fantastically, continues to sell well, has some influence and some moderate critical acclaim. There were two EPs before it (one a piece under two different band names), but they sold poorly, were released on fly-by-night labels and are currently rare.


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piper wrote:
hmm... Hybrid Theory by Linkin Park? That record sold fantastically, continues to sell well, has some influence and some moderate critical acclaim. There were two EPs before it (one a piece under two different band names), but they sold poorly, were released on fly-by-night labels and are currently rare.


This has gotta be rare, a modern album with 12 songs that are all easily under 4 minutes long.

1 Papercut 3:09
2 One Step Closer 2:45
3 With You 3:38
4 Points of Authority 3:31
5 Crawling 3:33
6 Runaway 3:08
7 By Myself 3:17
8 In the End 3:40
9 A Place for My Head 3:09
10 Forgotten 3:18
11 Cure for the Itch 2:41
12 Pushing Me Away 3:11


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 Post subject: Re: 100 Greatest Rock Debut Albums
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not a bad list, is ten that good?


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Yes.

ITCOTCK is way too low.


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Yes.

ITCOTCK is way too low.


Yes, I think I had that higher when I had the list. Don't remember why Brett dropped it some when I gave it to him.


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piper wrote:
Also Brett, The Strokes would be difficult to get in this list for the same reason you disqualify Arcade Fire: there was an EP, The Modern Age, released before Is This It which was the source of their initial hype.


The Modern Age is only three songs and runs about 12 minutes. That's a single under our definitions.

piper wrote:
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Thoughts? Am I forgetting something important?


hmm... Hybrid Theory by Linkin Park? That record sold fantastically, continues to sell well, has some influence and some moderate critical acclaim. There were two EPs before it (one a piece under two different band names), but they sold poorly, were released on fly-by-night labels and are currently rare.


Well, this is going to be an ongoing issue going forward--what constitutes a release of an album in this day and age where anyone can burn CDs on their computer? Still, the first Linkin Park EP seems to be a real if small-time release, and at almost 30 minutes it's as long as some of the albums on the list, so I think that has to be considered their first album. Not a bad thought, though.


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Bruce wrote:
boo boo wrote:
Yes.

ITCOTCK is way too low.


Yes, I think I had that higher when I had the list. Don't remember why Brett dropped it some when I gave it to him.


Mostly because it's not all that big on the popularity front, and I didn't think it quite overcame that in other areas. I'm open to argument on that.

Something else I've been thinking about with this list. I never put Whitney Houston or Mariah Carey on there because I think of them more as pop than as rock, but I notice both of them are included on their respective decade albums lists. If these albums qualify as rock, they clearly should be here. In fact, I'm thinking Whitney would go in as number one. The popularity of that album was absolutely huge (13 million sales in the US, 25 million worldwide, three number one singles, 14 weeks at number one US), and its influence is also very big--but, again, much of that influence was on music that is arguably not rock, including Mariah along with Celine Dion, a lot of the American Idol crowd, and so on. I'm wondering what people think. And I know some people will be apoplectic at the idea of Whitney ahead of Jimi Hendrix, but if the list were called "Greatest Popular Music Debut Albums" it would be a no-brainer.


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I think ITCOTCK beats Kick out the Jams in both popularity and influence, so I'd recommend the former being the higher of the two. However, that might be more a matter of MC5 being too high than of KC being too low.

Putting Whitney ahead of Jimi would be to weigh popularity very heavily, too heavily I think. If popularity is weighed that heavily, Elvis, Guns 'n' Roses, and Boston would also probably belong ahead of Jimi, and maybe even Pearl Jam would. And Guns 'n' Roses would definitely go ahead of VU&N, which might be a good move anyway.

I don't see Whitney ahead of Elvis regardless of how the criteria are weighed. Her small advantage in popularity would surely be overcome by his big advantage in everything else.


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Everything else? What is there in this criteria besides popularity and influence?


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