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 Post subject: Re: Greatest Live Rock Albums
PostPosted: Fri Nov 26, 2010 8:16 pm 
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Sampson wrote:
gminer wrote:
... Smoke on the Water should be highly placed on the Greatest Live Singles list ... it is the 1973 release of SOTW from Made in Japan that made the tune the globally phenom that it became ... the studio version from Machine Head was on the other side of the single ... Take care


Technically speaking the studio version was the credited hit, even though in years since the live version is the accepted one. Since the list is specifically for HIT SINGLES, I can only credit a live song if it charted itself. The longer, live B-side, did not chart, thus explaining its absence. But I agree, as far as live songs goes it is legendary, it just doesn't meet the criteria to be counted here.


..interestingly enough and this might be unique to SOTW, in the US when the tune was charting in 1973 both the live and studio version were being played on the radio and I suppose that may have happened depending on the preference of the DJ or the one requesting the tune ... and SOTW never charted in the UK until 1977 and at that time it was the live version from Made in Japan ... Take care


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PostPosted: Fri Nov 26, 2010 8:26 pm 
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Brown didn't cut "There Was A Time" in the studio at any point, it was extracted from the Live At The Apollo Volume Two album recorded June 24, 1967. The extended version appeared on that album and other versions appeared over the years on various compilations, even as intended as another single under different title, which was later withdrawn ("The Little Groove Maker Me"), but it was indeed cut live.

Sorry, while a little knowledge may be dangerous, it is far better then a vindictive person trying to discredit someone else. :wink:


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I own the 45, jackass, and I just played it. It's not a live version, it's a studio version. I've heard it many times over the years, since I was around then (unlike you).

Tell you what I'll do. I'll make an MP3 of the 45 and send it to Brian and he can decide if it's a studio version or a live version. If I'm right, you leave the forums for good. If you're right, I'll leave the forums for good.

What do you say, hot shot?


... easy Bruce my friend, the forum is much richer with both of you contributing ...... and have respect for both your knowledge and point of view .... and would hope both of you continue to contribute ... Take care


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 Post subject: Re: Greatest Live Rock Albums
PostPosted: Sat Nov 27, 2010 4:44 am 
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Bruce wrote:
I own the 45, jackass, and I just played it. It's not a live version, it's a studio version. I've heard it many times over the years, since I was around then (unlike you).

Tell you what I'll do. I'll make an MP3 of the 45 and send it to Brian and he can decide if it's a studio version or a live version. If I'm right, you leave the forums for good. If you're right, I'll leave the forums for good.

What do you say, hot shot?


Holy shit, what is the root of all this bad blood between you two? Cripes.

Rust Never Sleeps was recorded live, but it's awful hard to tell on much of that record. Listening for crowd noise may not be the best way to judge.


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 Post subject: Re: Greatest Live Rock Albums
PostPosted: Sun Nov 28, 2010 9:25 pm 
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Bruce wrote:
The crowd was not exactly quiet when James Brown was performing at the Apollo.


But that doesn't mean the crowd noise couldn't have been removed from the mix for the single.


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 Post subject: Re: Greatest Live Rock Albums
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As much as I like his music, I don't think that Stevie Wonder album belongs. "Fingertips" is superlative, but the rest of the album is average at best. Drop it and replace it with the Isley Brothers' 1972 release The Isleys Live.


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 Post subject: Re: Greatest Live Rock Albums
PostPosted: Thu May 10, 2012 11:24 am 
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It is awesome to see "Live/Dead" in the top 20.
This whole list is just great, gotta tip my hat to Sampson.


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 Post subject: Re: Greatest Live Rock Albums
PostPosted: Thu Jul 05, 2012 7:04 pm 
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I would say from a sustained point of popularity, Made in Japan, is the most popular of all the live rock albums. It is the only live album I notice to constantly show up in rock album charts around the globe since its release and the only one I have noticed that always shows up in itunes global charts in a number of different countries week after week ... Take care


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PostPosted: Mon Jul 23, 2012 2:36 pm 
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Live At The Star Club is gonna be my next musical purchase.

High-octane rock & roll at it's best. FUCK what an album!


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When Humble Pie came up over in the Hard Rock Artists thread, I went to see how high Performance: Live Rockin' The Fillmore ranked here. Was very surprised that it's not here.

Big hit, pretty high in acclaim, big influence on the growth of the AOR live double album. I certainly wouldn't put it near the top of the list, but I certainly think it does better in the criteria than, say, the Jacksons, Commodores, George Thorogood, or Jeff Buckley albums. Or, quite possibly, the sixth most important James Brown live album. (I mean, yeah, I appreciate that Brown was a great live performer. But SIX albums on the list, plus one on the part-live list? When there are only two Grateful Dead and one The Who albums?)


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PostPosted: Fri Sep 28, 2012 1:51 pm 
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Brett Alan wrote:
When Humble Pie came up over in the Hard Rock Artists thread, I went to see how high Performance: Live Rockin' The Fillmore ranked here. Was very surprised that it's not here.

Big hit, pretty high in acclaim, big influence on the growth of the AOR live double album. I certainly wouldn't put it near the top of the list, but I certainly think it does better in the criteria than, say, the Jacksons, Commodores, George Thorogood, or Jeff Buckley albums. Or, quite possibly, the sixth most important James Brown live album. (I mean, yeah, I appreciate that Brown was a great live performer. But SIX albums on the list, plus one on the part-live list? When there are only two Grateful Dead and one The Who albums?)


as a note of trivia from the Guitar section of DDD ... and the proposed Top 100 Greatest Guitar Albums (Live) and check out #18 .... Take care

1)At Fillmore East - ALLMAN BROTHERS BAND
2)Live At The Fillmore - DEREK & The DOMINOS
3)Live at Woodstock - Jimi HENDRIX
4)Live in Germany 76 - RAINBOW
5)Strangers in the Night - UFO
6)Made In Japan or 25th Anniversary Edition - DEEP PURPLE
7)Live At Leeds - The WHO
8)Get Your Ya Ya's Out - ROLLING STONES
9)Live and Dangerous - THIN LIZZY*
10)Right Here, Right Now - VAN HALEN
11)Tribute - OZZY/RHOADS
12)Johnny Winter And... Live - JOHNNY WINTER AND
13)How The West Was Won - LED ZEPPELIN
14)Frampton Comes Alive - PETER FRAMPTON
15)Five Live Yardbirds - THE YARBIRDS
16)Boston Tea Party - FLEETWOOD MAC
17)Live Cream Vol I & II - CREAM
18)Performance Rockin' The Fillmore - HUMBLE PIE
19)Pulse - PINK FLOYD
20)Happy Trails - QUICKSILVER MESSENGER SERVICE
21)Irish Tour '74 - RORY GALLAGHER
22) Live/Dead - THE GRATEFUL DEAD
23) Wheels on Fire - CREAM*
24)Live Killers - QUEEN
25)Lotus - SANTANA
26)The Song Remains the Same - LED ZEPPELIN
27)Band Of Gypsys - Jimi HENDRIX
28)Live At The Fillmore East - HENDRIX
29)Live at Ebbets Field - TOMMY BOLIN and FRIENDS
30)Live At The Fillmore East - TEN YEARS AFTER
31)Live Dates - WISHBONE ASH
32)Bongo Fury - CAPTAIN BEEFHEART & FRANK ZAPPA
33)At Budokan - CHEAP TRICK
34)Free Live - FREE
35)Live In Japan - ROY BUCHANAN
36)Undead - TEN YEARS AFTER
37)Images and Words Live in Tokyo - DREAM THEATER
38)One More From The Road - LYNYRD SKYNYRD
39)Double Dose - HOT TUNA
40)Ladies & Gentlemen - GRATEFUL DEAD
41)Earthbound - KING CRIMSON
42)Zappa In New York - FRANK ZAPPA
43)Live Alive - Stevie Ray VAUGHAN
44)Tokyo Tapes - SCORPIONS
45)Live Wire / Blues Power - ALBERT KING
46)Live At The Regal - B.B. KING
47)BBA Live - BECK BOGERT APPICE
48)Live - Rick DERRINGER
49)On Stage - RAINBOW
50)Hot Tuna - HOT TUNA
51)G3 Live - SATCH/VAI/JOHNSON
52)Live In San Francisco - JOE SATRIANI
53)Alchemy - DIRE STRAITS
54)Past Lives - BLACK SABBATH
55)Yessongs - YES
56)Queen Rock Montreal - QUEEN
57)Live From Austin Tx - ERIC JOHNSON
58)Weld - NEIL YOUNG and CRAZY HORSE
59)Bring Em Back Alive - DIXIE DREGS
60) Ummaguma - PINK FLOYD
61)Robin Trower Live - ROBIN TROWER
62)Official Live 101 - PANTERA
63)All The World's A Stage - RUSH
64) Live AT The BBC - THE YARDBIRDS
65)Tokyo Tapes - STEVE HACKETT
66)Live After Death - IRON MAIDEN
67)Live At Carnegie Hall - CHICAGO
68)Unplugged - ALICE in CHAINS
69)Live Extreme Vol. 1 - RACER X
70)Live Rust - NEIL YOUNG
71)Live - EAGLES
72)Unplugged - ERIC CLAPTON
73)Live At The Grand Olympic Auditorium - RAGE AGAINST the MACHINE
74)You Can't Argue With A Stick Mind - JOE WALSH
75)Live '73 - URIAH HEEP
76)Double Live Gonzo! - TED NUGENT
77)One Night at the Budokan - MICHAEL SCHENKER GROUP
78)Alive! - KISS
79)Mahogany Rush Live - FRANK MARINO
80)On your feet or on your knees - BLUE OYSTER CULT
81)Live! Attack of the Killer V - LONNIE MACK
82)Captured Live! - JOHNNY WINTER
83)Maiden Rock In Rio - IRON MAIDEN
84)Hell Live At Radio City Music Hall - HEAVEN and HELL
85)How the West Was One - PHIL KEAGGY and A BAND CALLED DAVID
86)World Wide Live (1985) - SCORPIONS
87)Flight 666 - IRON MAIDEN
88)Visions Of Europe (1998) - STRATOVARIUS
89)Live...In the Heart of the City - WHITESNAKE
90)Go for What You Know - PAT TRAVERS
91)Waiting for Columbus - LITTLE FEAT
92)Unleashed in the East - JUDAS PRIEST
93)Live at Ronnie Scott`s - JEFF BECK
94)Exit Stage Left - RUSH
95)Rush in Rio - RUSH
96)California Screamin - DIXIE DREGS
97)Live AT Carnegie Hall - SRV
98)Roxy & Elsewhere - FRANK ZAPPA
99)The Great Deceiver - KING CRIMSON
100)Dick Picks Vol IV - GRATEFUL DEAD

* There have been questions of the "liveness" of Thin Lizzy`s Live and Dangerous but for the time being, the placement on the list will be as if that was not an issue..... Wheels on Fire by Cream has also been a source of debate as it is not a complete live album

A quick explanation of the criteria used for the basis of this list is as follows - Criteria: - Popularity, Influence and Impact but also material that represents those rock guitarists that are seen as some of the greatest live players both by their peers and critics ... for example Phil Keaggy`s live work may not be very well known but as a live player he is significant enough to warrant an entry on this list .


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 Post subject: Re: Greatest Live Rock Albums
PostPosted: Fri Sep 28, 2012 8:58 pm 
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Wait a minute, you mean Rockin The Fillmore is not on THIS list? What the hell?


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 Post subject: Re: Greatest Live Rock Albums
PostPosted: Thu Oct 11, 2012 4:05 pm 
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HTWWW is a much better live album than TSRTS.


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 Post subject: Re: Greatest Live Rock Albums
PostPosted: Fri Oct 12, 2012 7:46 am 
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Do you talk about any other bands besides Zeppelin?


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 Post subject: Re: Greatest Live Rock Albums
PostPosted: Fri Oct 12, 2012 8:59 am 
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Yes, Sabbath.


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 Post subject: Re: Greatest Live Rock Albums
PostPosted: Fri Oct 12, 2012 8:37 pm 
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Well, Sabbath are better than Zep, so I guess that's acceptable. :cheers:


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