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 Post subject: Greatest Rock Producers
PostPosted: Fri Sep 23, 2011 2:50 pm 
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I feel like this list is a glaring omission to the site. Here are a few unordered names that should be on the list:

George Martin
Jeff Lynne
Frank Zappa
Alan Parsons
Brian Wilson
Phil Spector
Sam Philips
Eddie Kramer
Jimmy Webb
Barry White
Trevor Horn
Brian Eno
Rick Rubin
Todd Rundgren
Dave Fridmann
Max Martin
Steven Wilson


Note that it excludes rap producers because the two kinds of production are almost completely different.


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 Post subject: Re: Greatest Rock Producers
PostPosted: Fri Sep 23, 2011 3:11 pm 
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I'd add...

Holland Dozier Holland
Thom Bell
Bones Howe
Herb Alpert
Ahmet Ertgen


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 Post subject: Re: Greatest Rock Producers
PostPosted: Fri Sep 23, 2011 3:43 pm 
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I don't think we have to exclude rap producers. It's more fun if we have all kinds of rock producers.


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 Post subject: Re: Greatest Rock Producers
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Since this was my first post in the thread, here's the current version of the list. (The original post is below.)

Criteria: Ranked by acclaim and reputation as producers, influence on rock and roll record production and rock and roll in general, and popularity of recordings produced.


1. Phil Spector (The Ronettes, The Righteous Brothers, The Crystals)
2. Brian Holland and Lamont Dozier (The Supremes, The Four Tops, Chairmen of the Board)
3. Dr. Dre (NWA, Snoop Dogg, Eminem)
4. Jerry Leiber & Mike Stoller (Elvis Presley, The Coasters, The Drifters)
5. Brian Wilson (The Beach Boys, American Spring)
6. Smokey Robinson (The Miracles, The Temptations, Mary Wells)
7. Sam Phillips (Elvis Presley, Jerry Lee Lewis, Carl Perkins)
8. Dave Bartholomew (Fats Domino, Lloyd Price, Shirley & Lee)
9. George Martin (The Beatles, Gerry & The Pacemakers, Jeff Beck)
10. Kenny Gamble & Leon Huff (The O'Jays, Harold Melvin & The Blue Notes, Soul Survivors)
11. Rick Rubin (Run-DMC, Beastie Boys, Red Hot Chili Peppers)
12. Nile Rogers and Bernard Edwards (Chic, Diana Ross, Madonna)
13. Jimmy Jam & Terry Lewis (Janet Jackson, New Edition, SOS Band)
14. Norman Whitfield (The Temptations, Marvin Gaye, Rose Royce)
15. Allen Toussaint (Lee Dorsey, Ernie K-Doe, The Meters)
16. Timbaland (himself, Justin Timberlake, Missy Elliott)
17. Kanye West (himself, Jay-Z, Common)
18. Leonard and Phil Chess (Chuck Berry, Bo Diddley, Etta James)
19. Jerry Wexler (Aretha Franklin, Ray Charles, Bob Dylan)
20. Thom Bell (Spinners, The Stylistics, The Delfonics)
21. Babyface (Boyz II Men, TLC, Bobby Brown)
22. Giorgio Moroder (Donna Summer, The Three Degrees, Sparks)
23. The Bomb Squad (Public Enemy, Ice Cube, LL Cool J)
24. R. Kelly (himself, Michael Jackson, Aaliyah)
25. Brian Eno (David Bowie, U2, Talking Heads)
26. Marley Marl (Big Daddy Kane, LL Cool J, Eric B. & Rakim)
27. Mutt Lange (AC/DC, Def Leppard, Bryan Adams)
28. Johnny Otis (Johnny Otis Show, Johnny Ace, Big Mama Thorton)
29. Max Martin (Britney Spears, Katy Perry, Backstreet Boys)
30. Ahmet Ertegun (Ray Charles, Bobby Darin, Ruth Brown)
31. Jeff Lynne (Electric Light Orchestra, George Harrison, Tom Petty)
32. DJ Premier (Gang Starr, Notorious BIG, Alicia Keys)
33. Daniel Lanois (U2, Bob Dylan, Peter Gabriel)
34. Phil Ramone (Billy Joel, Paul Simon, Julian Lennon)
35. Lee "Scratch" Perry (Bob Marley & The Wailers, The Clash, The Upsetters)
36. Joe Meek (himself, The Tornados, The Honeycombs)
37. Isaac Hayes and David Porter (Isaac Hayes, Sam & Dave, Eddie Floyd)
38. Chips Moman (Elvis Presley, Booker T & The MGs, The Box Tops)
39. James Brown (himself, Bobby Byrd, Lyn Collins)
40. Trevor Horn (Yes, Frankie Goes To Hollywood, Seal)
41. Butch Vig (Nirvana, Sonic Youth, Garbage)
42. Tom Wilson (Bob Dylan, Simon & Garfunkel, Velvet Underground)
43. Henry Glover (Hank Ballard, Little Willie John, Joey Dee & The Starlighters)
44. Todd Rundgren (himself, Meat Loaf, Grand Funk Railroad)
45. Nicolas Ashford & Valerie Simpson (themselves, Diana Ross, Marvin Gaye & Tammi Terrell)
46. RZA (Wu-Tang Clan, Method Man, Gravediggaz)
47. Tony Visconti (David Bowie, T. Rex, Thin Lizzy)
48. Teddy Riley (Blackstreet, Bobby Brown, Keith Sweat)
49. Ted Templeman (Van Halen, The Doobie Brothers, Van Morrison)
50. Glyn Johns (The Who, Eric Clapton, Steve Miller Band)
51. Prince Paul (Stetsasonic, De La Soul, Big Daddy Kane)
52. Willie Mitchell (Al Green, Ann Peebles, Otis Clay)
53. Quincy Jones (Michael Jackson, Lesley Gore, The Brothers Johnson)
54. Hugo & Luigi (Sam Cooke, The Isley Brothers, The Stylistics)
55. Tom Dowd (Allman Brothers, Eric Clapton, Aretha Franklin)
56. Curtis Mayfield (The Impressions, The Staple Singers, Aretha Franklin)
57. Stevie Wonder (himself, Syreeta, Spinners)
58. Frank Zappa (himself, The Mothers of Invention, Shankar)
59. The Dust Brothers (Beastie Boys, Beck, Hanson)
60. will.i.am. (Black-Eyed Peas, Usher, John Legend)
61. Peter Asher (James Taylor, Linda Ronstadt, 10,000 Maniacs)
62. Milt Gabler (Bill Haley, Louis Jordan)
63. James William Guercio (Chicago, Blood Sweat & Tears, The Buckinghams)
64. Robert "Bumps" Blackwell (Little Richard, Sam Cooke, Bob Dylan)
65. Rick Hall (Wilson Pickett, Clarence Carter, Etta James)
66. Sid Feller (Ray Charles, Lloyd Price, Glenn Yarbrough)
67. Mike Chapman (Sweet, Blondie, Pat Benatar)
68. Steve Lillywhite (U2, Dave Matthews Band, Psychedelic Furs)
69. Arthur Baker (Afrika Bambaataa, New Order, Freeez)
70. Steve Albini (Big Black, Nirvana, The Pixies)
71. Jimmy Iovine (Tom Petty, Patti Smith, Stevie Nicks)
72. Jan Berry (Jan & Dean, The Gents, The Matadors)
73. Stock Aitken Waterman (Bananarama, Dead Or Alive, Kylie Minogue)
74. Sylvia Robinson (Grandmaster Flash, Sugarhill Gang, The Moments)
75. Roy Thomas Baker (Queen, The Cars, Free)
76. The Neptunes (themselves, Kelis, Justin Timberlake)
77. Bob Johnston (Bob Dylan, Simon & Garfunkel, Johnny Cash)
78. Prince (himself, Sheila E., Appalonia 6)
79. Jack Douglas (Aerosmith, John Lennon, Cheap Trick)
80. Brendan O'Brien (Pearl Jam, Stone Temple Pilots, Bruce Springsteen)
81. Alan Parsons (The Alan Parsons Project, Pilot, Al Stewart)
82. Don Was (Was (Not Was), Bonnie Raitt, Rolling Stones)
83. Mickie Most (The Animals, Herman's Hermits, Donovan)
84. Ralph Bass (James Brown, Billy Ward & His Dominoes, Hank Ballard)
85. Jimmy Page (Led Zeppelin, The Firm, Screaming Lord Sutch)
86. Conny Plank (Moebius & Plank, Kraftwerk, Killing Joke)
87. Shel Talmy (The Who, The Kinks, The Easybeats)
88. John Cale (Patti Smith, The Stooges, Squeeze)
89. Luther Dixon (The Shirelles, Chuck Jackson, Jimmy Reed)
90. Gus Dudgeon (Elton John, David Bowie, XTC)
91. Steve Cropper (Otis Redding, Eddie Floyd, Jeff Beck)
92. Chris Blackwell (Bob Marley, Free, Toots & The Maytals)
93. Bruce Fairbairn (Aerosmith, Bon Jovi, Loverboy)
94. Norman Petty (Buddy Holly, Buddy Knox, The Fireballs)
95. Lee Hazelwood (himself, Nancy Sinatra, Duane Eddy)
96. Sly Stone (Sly & The Family Stone, Beau Brummels, Bobby Freeman)
97. Frank Guida (Gary US Bonds, Jimmy Soul, Tommy Facenda)
98. Shadow Morton (The Shangri-Las, Vanilla Fudge, The New York Dolls)
99. Fred Foster (Roy Orbison, Ray Stevens, Kris Kristofferson)
100. Sly & Robbie (themselves, Black Uhuru, Chaka Demus & Pliers)





Georgi wrote:
I don't think we have to exclude rap producers. It's more fun if we have all kinds of rock producers.


Not to mention that Rick Rubin was already mentioned, and while he does a lot of other stuff, he's probably the greatest rap producer ever.

Don't have time right now to get too into this, but off the top of my head:

Kenny Gamble & Leon Huff
Dave Bartholomew
Joe Meek
Shel Talmy
Jerry Leiber & Mike Stoller
Peter Asher
Jerry Wexler
R. Kelly
Babyface
Quincy Jones
Allen Toussaint
Milt Gabler
Shadow Morton


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 Post subject: Re: Greatest Rock Producers
PostPosted: Sat Sep 24, 2011 2:25 am 
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Brett Alan wrote:
Georgi wrote:
I don't think we have to exclude rap producers. It's more fun if we have all kinds of rock producers.


Not to mention that Rick Rubin was already mentioned, and while he does a lot of other stuff, he's probably the greatest rap producer ever.

Don't have time right now to get too into this, but off the top of my head:

Kenny Gamble & Leon Huff
Dave Bartholomew
Joe Meek
Shel Talmy
Jerry Leiber & Mike Stoller
Peter Asher
Jerry Wexler
R. Kelly
Babyface
Quincy Jones
Allen Toussaint
Milt Gabler
Shadow Morton


Some good ones, but for sake of discussion...

Gamble & Huff...Great thinkers who took a terrific idea (Motown)...ran with it and expanded it to take on the character of Philadelphia. After their initial hands on introductory successes, they essentially folllwed the Berry Gordy Jr model and focused on the executive duties of running a profitable enterprise and left the "in the pit" producing to others...Thom Bell, perhaps the most prolific of them, and Producer/songwriters like Bobby Eli, Norman Harris (with Ronnie Baker & Earl Young), and others. I guess that's why one of the G&F's today owns a large bank and the other is married to 60's songstress Dee Dee Sharp and dabbles in community affairs...or something like that. Producer Don Davis from Detroit (who produced several notable hits at his United Sound Studios ) did much the same...ended up starting a bank of his own. If you count Gordy and G&H, then I guess you'd have to include Clive Davis. Although Clive throws those over the top Grammy party's every year, and had all these producer awards for his association with some great artists (Whitney Houston eg.)...he's not the guy in the session getting the stuff done that has the most input in the finished product...he's the guy pulling all the strings to produce profit on the bottom line going by the title of "executive producer".

Now Norman Whitfield...HE was a hands on kind of guy...

Lieber& Stoller...interesting...but were they primarily songwriters or producers?

Quincy...Crackerjack producer and musician. Perhaps the most respected of any living rock/pop producer today. This particular forum however, may argue that Michael Jackson alone does not make a "rock" producer, since much of Quincy's credits are in film, television, and mainstream pop artists. Just sayin...

Toussant and Wexler...Both solid producers with great resumes.


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 Post subject: Re: Greatest Rock Producers
PostPosted: Sat Sep 24, 2011 6:24 am 
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Wilson, Martin, and Spector are top 3 locks, not necessarily in that order.


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 Post subject: Re: Greatest Rock Producers
PostPosted: Sat Sep 24, 2011 9:49 am 
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Some suggestions:

Martin Hannett
Nigel Godrich
Scott Litt
Steve Albini
Alan Moulder
Ivo Watts-Russell
Butch Vig
John Leckie
Todd Rundgren
Stephen Street
Joe Meek
The Dust Brothers
Steve Lillywhite
Brian Eno
David Lanois
Don Was
Jackknife Lee
Gary Katz
Jerry Finn
Tony Visconti
Glen "Spot" Lockett
Bob Ezrin
Trevor Horn


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 Post subject: Re: Greatest Rock Producers
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I'm excluding rap producers because they have their own separate list and because the role of a producer in rap is very different from the role of a producer in rock.

Anyway, I'm thinking the Top 5 should be (in no particular order) Spector, Martin, Lynne, Wilson, Zappa. Spector obviously had the Wall of Sound, Martin had The Beatles, Lynne had insanely complex rock music with ELO and other stuff, and Wilson obviously had his stuff.

Zappa had one of the first instances of mapping drums to different channels, speeding up and slowing down of tapes for different effects, fused studio/live performances, and his Synclaiver compositions.


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 Post subject: Re: Greatest Rock Producers
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A rap producer's role is greater than the producers you cite, but they still fulfill the same jobs the guitar rock producers do as well.


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 Post subject: Re: Greatest Rock Producers
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Actually, now that I think about it, I probably agree with you.


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 Post subject: Re: Greatest Rock Producers
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Yeah. Comparing Dr. Dre and Phil Spector is quite difficult considering how vastly different what they do is.

For this list, I'm also slightly unsure about what to do when bands produce their own albums. Like I know Dave Fridmann produced "The Soft Bulletin" by The Flaming Lips, but I don't know how much production work the band itself did.

Also, I'd like to see a companion list for "Most well-produced albums." Dark Side of the Moon is an absolute shoe-in for #1.


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 Post subject: Re: Greatest Rock Producers
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Pet Sounds would run it close, no? If there was some criterion for influence, then it would surely take number one.


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 Post subject: Re: Greatest Rock Producers
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What's Goin' On would need to be high on that list.


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 Post subject: Re: Greatest Rock Producers
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Sgt. Pepper's production was also very influential.

Phil Spector is unique in that his records are more noted for him than they are for the artists, and the sound of his records is really his sound rather than the sound of the artists. Admittedly, that's partly a function of him being just the producer. Brian Wilson was both the producer and the artist, and was noted for what he did as both. But intuitively, Spector would seem to be a good choice for #1.


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 Post subject: Re: Greatest Rock Producers
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Maybe we should get criteria first. Especially since beaverteeth mentioned something like "Most well-produced albums" and I don't know what that is supposed to mean. What exactly is it that a producer does anyway? You usually have extra credits for arranging, writing, mixing, etc. What's the producer's job?


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