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 Post subject: Re: 100 Greatest Rock Artists Of The 2000's
PostPosted: Sun Jan 02, 2011 4:41 pm 
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. Their music is better, and it seems you don't take too much care of that, do you? A case with most listmakers.


Do you see the word "best" anywhere in the title of this list/thread?


No, but I thought if we were to determine the greatness of something, we would first take into consideration how good it is.

Do you see the word "best" in my post? I'm not going to say something is the best, but I can say "better", if we're to talk in earthly terms.


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 Post subject: Re: 100 Greatest Rock Artists Of The 2000's
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are you aware that JT and Britney are both above Tool on acclaimedmusic's list of most acclaimed artists of the decade? objectively, the are "better". you may not like their music, but its more acclaimed than Tool's.

and just to counter your personal opinion with another (although its irrelevant to the list), both JT and Britney's music is more fun to listen to than Tool's. the songwriting is tighter. they have charisma. the production is better. i could go on.

love Danny Carey though.


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pave wrote:
are you aware that JT and Britney are both above Tool on acclaimedmusic's list of most acclaimed artists of the decade? objectively, the are "better". you may not like their music, but its more acclaimed than Tool's.

and just to counter your personal opinion with another (although its irrelevant to the list), both JT and Britney's music is more fun to listen to than Tool's. the songwriting is tighter. they have charisma. the production is better. i could go on.

love Danny Carey though.


I agree with everything you say, but Britney Spears has the charisma of a wasp


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 Post subject: Re: 100 Greatest Rock Artists Of The 2000's
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lukat93 wrote:
Ace of Spades wrote:
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. Their music is better, and it seems you don't take too much care of that, do you? A case with most listmakers.


Do you see the word "best" anywhere in the title of this list/thread?


No, but I thought if we were to determine the greatness of something, we would first take into consideration how good it is.


How do you do that? If you love Tool and other people consider them unlistenable crap, and other people love Justin Timberlake and you consider him unlistenable crap, how do we go about determining who is right and who is wrong? That's why the majority of lists on DD don't consider what's "good"--there's no real way to evaluate that. Acclaim and influence are often byproducts of being good, but they're more objective.


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 Post subject: Re: 100 Greatest Rock Artists Of The 2000's
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Oh, sorry, I wasn't aware of acclaimedmusic's list...Maybe because I don't give a fuck about it.

I don't like talking to fools, so could you delete my account or something...I'm anyway off this stupid forum from now on.

Thanks


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 Post subject: Re: 100 Greatest Rock Artists Of The 2000's
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Good riddance.


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 Post subject: Re: 100 Greatest Rock Artists Of The 2000's
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Another one bites the dust?


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 Post subject: Re: 100 Greatest Rock Artists Of The 2000's
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Dang guys, I think we need to revise the criteria

Criteria: populatiry, influence, impact, lukat93's opinion.


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 Post subject: Re: 100 Greatest Rock Artists Of The 2000's
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Brett Alan wrote:
lukat93 wrote:
Ace of Spades wrote:
Do you see the word "best" anywhere in the title of this list/thread?


No, but I thought if we were to determine the greatness of something, we would first take into consideration how good it is.


How do you do that? If you love Tool and other people consider them unlistenable crap, and other people love Justin Timberlake and you consider him unlistenable crap, how do we go about determining who is right and who is wrong? That's why the majority of lists on DD don't consider what's "good"--there's no real way to evaluate that. Acclaim and influence are often byproducts of being good, but they're more objective.



Which is exactly why this site has become a breeding ground for wankers, and a complete hole in terms of actually progressing your musical journey anymore.


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 Post subject: Re: 100 Greatest Rock Artists Of The 2000's
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explain? i don't get what you are arguing. it seems as if you are saying that trying to be objective with the lists is killing individual journeys to artistic understand. ??


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Jestercide wrote:
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How do you do that? If you love Tool and other people consider them unlistenable crap, and other people love Justin Timberlake and you consider him unlistenable crap, how do we go about determining who is right and who is wrong? That's why the majority of lists on DD don't consider what's "good"--there's no real way to evaluate that. Acclaim and influence are often byproducts of being good, but they're more objective.



Which is exactly why this site has become a breeding ground for wankers, and a complete hole in terms of actually progressing your musical journey anymore.



So if we made it just lists of people's personal favorites, you think that that would reduce wankerism and improve people's musical journeys? I don't see that. I think we'd end up with a bunch of classic-rock radio listeners making lists of Pink Floyd songs.


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 Post subject: Re: 100 Greatest Rock Artists Of The 2000's
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the fact that Britney Spears can be on ANY best rock list, let alone the top 10, shows us how terrible the 00's were. Really, it's sad.


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Classic Rock Junkie wrote:
the fact that Britney Spears can be on ANY best rock list, let alone the top 10, shows us how terrible the 00's were. Really, it's sad.


Good thing it isn't a best list then, eh?


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 Post subject: Re: 100 Greatest Rock Artists Of The 2000's
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Classic Rock Junkie wrote:
the fact that Britney Spears can be on ANY best rock list, let alone the top 10, shows us how terrible the 00's were. Really, it's sad.


not any more sad than the top 20 inclusion of The Eagles, Bee Gees, and Chicago on the 70s list. or Stevie's 60s work. or the worst:

80s Greatest Artists
3. Madonna
9. Billy Joel
11. Phil Collins
13. Def Leppard
14. Janet Jackson
15. George Michael/Wham
16. Whitney Houston
17. Metallica

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also, the fact that the top ten here also includes Outkast, Eminem, The White Stripes and Radiohead show me how good the 00s really were.


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 Post subject: Re: 100 Greatest Rock Artists Of The 2000's
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pave wrote:
are you aware that JT and Britney are both above Tool on acclaimedmusic's list of most acclaimed artists of the decade? objectively, the are "better". you may not like their music, but its more acclaimed than Tool's.

and just to counter your personal opinion with another (although its irrelevant to the list), both JT and Britney's music is more fun to listen to than Tool's. the songwriting is tighter. they have charisma. the production is better. i could go on.

love Danny Carey though.


I honestly think Tool, Dream Theater, and Coldplay are the best artists still making albums in the 00's. I think Tool's creativity, skill, and lyrical genius outwits nearly every other band around now, but they aren't that popular and it's not everyone's cup of tea, but hey, IMO, they are genius :)


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