I can make a far better argument for Stevie to be #4 overall and the Beach Boys #5 than I could make for the Who to make the Top 10 or 15.
Then The Who is one of your blind spots, because it's really easy.
Their popularity is really far behind. Wonder and The Beach Boys have over 60 hits apiece, the Who don't even have half that.
From 1968 to their breakup in 1982 The Who overwhelmingly outperformed the Beach Boys on the album charts in the USA:1968
Who Magic Bus - The Who on Tour
Beach Boys Friends
Beach Boys 20/20
Who Live at Leeds
Beach Boys Sunflower
Who Who's Next
Who Meaty Beaty Big & Bouncy
- #11 (mostly non-hits collection)
Beach Boys Surf's Up
Beach Boys Carl and the Passions - "So Tough"
Beach Boys Holland
- #36The Beach Boys in Concert
Who Odds & Sods
- #15 (non-hits collection)
Beach Boys Endless Summer
- #1 (hits collection)1975
Who Tommy motion picture soundtrack
Who The Who By Numbers
Beach Boys Spirit of America
- #7 (hits collection)
Beach Boys Good Vibrations - Best of the Beach Boys
- #25 (hits collection)1976
Beach Boys 15 Big Ones
Beach Boys Live in London
Beach Boys Love You
Who Who Are You
Beach Boys M.I.U. Album
Who The Kids Are Alright motion picture soundtrack
Beach Boys L.A. (Light Album)
Beach Boys Keepin' the Summer Alive
Who Face Dances
Who It's Hard
Are the Beach Boys really
more popular? If you were a concert promoter in the late sixties, through the seventies and into the eighties (and through to today), who would you book? You really think that because the Beach Boys racked up a ton of hits from 1963 - 1966 that they are forevermore more popular than The Who? That's not the way the world works.
The influence of all three are close, I have it BB, Who, Wonder on the DDD list.
Yeah, I think The Who are more influential than The Beach Boys, as I explained in my post to Bruce. They're one of the keystone acts influencing hard rock, power pop and art rock. Surf rock didn't have much staying power. The Beach Boys have a ton of influence in studio techniques, but The Who's massive influence in the live arena, and the enormous impact of Pete Townshend on guitarists, Keith Moon on drummers, John "The Ox" Entwistle on bassists, and Roger Daltrey on hard rock vocalists, has to more than make up for that.
Musical Impact - again all three do well, but the Beach Boys and Wonder are two of the elite of all time here, completely off the charts and just a clear notch above the Who. They do very well, but not nearly as well as the other two.
That's just not true. The Who are every bit as much in the elite of the elite in musical impact as The Beach Boys and Stevie Wonder are. This is just your Who blind spot again. Why do you think VH1 Rock Honors devoted a two-hour special to The Who featuring numerous guest stars paying tribute to The Who? Previous editions of that program honored four different acts over the two hour show. But that one was just The Who for the whole two hours. They're also Kennedy Center Honors recipients, along with Brian Wilson and Stevie Wonder, which isn't directly musical impact, but is certainly reflective of The Who's extraordinarily lofty stature. The largest poll of musicians Rolling Stone ever did was their 500 Greatest Albums poll, where The Who landed seven albums in the countdown, more than anyone except for The Beatles, The Rolling Stones, Bob Dylan and Bruce Springsteen. That's certainly indicative of their huge musical impact.
Cultural Impact same thing. Stevie wins it, Beach Boys and Who are lower down.
How? What is Stevie Wonder's cultural impact? I can't think of anything apart from fame.
The Who aren't sniffing the Top Ten if this is done accurately. There's just a logjam up there of major artists with much deeper resumes. The Who don't do poorly in anything, but there's no area that they crush in versus the all-time greats, and to edge ahead you kinda need at least one area that you soar above the rest you're competing against.
Well, there's only four criteria and ten slots in the top ten, so that's impossible. Of course The Who can sniff the top ten. I resent that you thought the only reason The Who are in the top ten on this site is because of me. The Who have ALWAYS been in the top ten on this list. It had nothing
to do with me. So why do you think The Who have been in the top ten on this list since day one? They've been as high as #3 and as low as #8. The only impact I had on the top ten was reversing the short-lived decision to rank Led Zeppelin higher than The Who. But they've always been in there somewhere.
Their best area is influence but there's at least fifteen artists better than them there and another fifteen that are really close.
There aren't fifteen artists that do better across the criteria than The Who.
That means whoever does better elsewhere is going to win and in this case it's plainly obvious both the Beach Boys and Wonder do significantly better in Commercial Impact and Musical Impact.
It's not plainly obvious when it comes to musical impact. The Beach Boys are widely considered to be a band that failed to keep pace with The Beatles. While The Who are widely considered to be prime contenders for the title of World's Greatest Rock Band. No one has ever called The Beach Boys that. They might be called America's
greatest rock band, but that's because we know The Beatles, The Rolling Stones and The Who are battling each other over the global title.
The contest is over right there, but the final nail in the Who's coffin is figuring in the Beach Boys take influence, while Wonder takes Cultural, which all adds up to the Who on the outside looking in.
Well, like I said, I think The Who wins influence. I also think that's fairly obvious. And I still don't know what Stevie Wonder's cultural impact is. Eddie Murphy impressions?
I know you don't want to hear it, my friend, but Top Twenty over a 65 year period is a helluva accomplishment. Gerry & The Pacemakers would take that in a heartbeat if that's any consolation.
Cute. I'm concerned that you're so convinced that you're right that you can't be persuaded no matter what I say.