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 Post subject: Re: Greatest Live Rock Artists
PostPosted: Sun Oct 30, 2011 3:17 pm 
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a_man_named_gray wrote:
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His stuff with the Soul Stirrers was incredible for the time, I can totally understand the nickname 'The Man Who Invented Soul' now...


Could you refer me to some of that? All I have from that time period is some live album.


Sorry I just now seen this.
Check this out for starters...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aXt-I2bIdZE

Considering this is from the early 50's, incredible.


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 Post subject: Re: Greatest Live Rock Artists
PostPosted: Sun Oct 30, 2011 3:56 pm 
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I've heard this; great stuff. I was wondering if you maybe knew of an album with Sam and the Stirrers?


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 Post subject: Re: Greatest Live Rock Artists
PostPosted: Sun Oct 30, 2011 3:59 pm 
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I dont really know, havent heard much of it.
Jesus Gave Me Water was featured on one of his compilations, but beyond that I dont know.


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 Post subject: Re: Greatest Live Rock Artists
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Yup, I've got Portrait of a Legend or something for a compilatation. That has JGMW. And a live album featuring the Soul Stirrers, which is where I'd heard the song from that link.


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 Post subject: Re: Greatest Live Rock Artists
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Brian wrote:
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Cooke didn't invent soul. His music with the Soul Stirrers was gospel, not soul.


What is soul? Is it gospel-influenced vocals combined with the rhythms and instrumentation of R&B?


It is, but another thing distinguishes gospel from soul is that soul has secular lyrics, or semi-secular lyrics. Some soul songs take religious phrases and alter them in a secular way.


So is it because the Soul Stirrers' lyrics are spiritual that their music isn't considered soul?


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 Post subject: Re: Greatest Live Rock Artists
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Brian wrote:
Maybe the reason why that isn't part of the criteria is, wouldn't a varied playlist only matter if the artist plays in the same city more than one night in a row? Most artists don't play in the same city for more than one night in a row, so this would seem to be not applicable for most artists.

Was Petty the opening act when you saw him? I'd think a headliner playing in the same town 2 nights in a row would have more reason to vary his playlist than the opening act, because more people would come to see a headliner 2 nights in a row than to see the opening act.



Petty was the headliner, PJ joined him to open for 3 different cities...all of which they played 2 nites in a row...As far as I know, alot of the bigger bands on this list play the same city in a row often...especially the bigger cities...Led Zep's famous show's at MSG in '72 as well as LA/LongBeach in '72.

Why only should it matter if its the same city? I would have guessed lots of people on here would go see bands multiple nights in a row, but i guess I could be wrong.


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 Post subject: Re: Greatest Live Rock Artists
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ClashWho wrote:
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Cooke didn't invent soul. His music with the Soul Stirrers was gospel, not soul.


What is soul? Is it gospel-influenced vocals combined with the rhythms and instrumentation of R&B?


It is, but another thing distinguishes gospel from soul is that soul has secular lyrics, or semi-secular lyrics. Some soul songs take religious phrases and alter them in a secular way.


So is it because the Soul Stirrers' lyrics are spiritual that their music isn't considered soul?


Yes. The sound might also be a reason.


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 Post subject: Re: Greatest Live Rock Artists
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Maybe the reason why that isn't part of the criteria is, wouldn't a varied playlist only matter if the artist plays in the same city more than one night in a row? Most artists don't play in the same city for more than one night in a row, so this would seem to be not applicable for most artists.

Was Petty the opening act when you saw him? I'd think a headliner playing in the same town 2 nights in a row would have more reason to vary his playlist than the opening act, because more people would come to see a headliner 2 nights in a row than to see the opening act.



Petty was the headliner, PJ joined him to open for 3 different cities...all of which they played 2 nites in a row...As far as I know, alot of the bigger bands on this list play the same city in a row often...especially the bigger cities...Led Zep's famous show's at MSG in '72 as well as LA/LongBeach in '72.

Why only should it matter if its the same city? I would have guessed lots of people on here would go see bands multiple nights in a row, but i guess I could be wrong.


"A lot of the bigger bands" would be a minority of the list.

I'm not sure, but I'd think that if an artist played, say, Chicago one night and Cincinnati the next night, there would be very few people who would attend both shows, unless it's the Grateful Dead.


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 Post subject: Re: Greatest Live Rock Artists
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...and Pearl Jam, of course. You have no idea what these guys are about do you? Eddie makes remarks all the time during concerts about seeing multiple people up to 10-15 shows in a row.


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 Post subject: Re: Greatest Live Rock Artists
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OK, The Grateful Dead and Pearl Jam. And maybe a few others. But would you agree that most of the artists on the list have few fans that watch them night after night after night, travelling hundreds of miles?


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 Post subject: Re: Greatest Live Rock Artists
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I hate to sound like someone's cranky dad, but Madonna over Rush?


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 Post subject: Re: Greatest Live Rock Artists
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Yeah I'm with you there, Rush is a pretty huge live act.


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 Post subject: Re: Greatest Live Rock Artists
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OK, The Grateful Dead and Pearl Jam. And maybe a few others. But would you agree that most of the artists on the list have few fans that watch them night after night after night, travelling hundreds of miles?


Phish for sure. Almost any "jam band" would fall into that category of fans traveling often to see their shows.


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 Post subject: Re: Greatest Live Rock Artists
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"Jam bands" make up a tiny percentage of rock artists.


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 Post subject: Re: Greatest Live Rock Artists
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Still doesn't change the fact that they were one of the first bands to play extended versions of their music that were nothing like what they were in the studio to make a completely unique live experience.


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