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 Post subject: Re: 100 Greatest Rock Artists (under revision)
PostPosted: Wed Jul 18, 2012 6:41 am 
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There's another poster on here called 'zephead8', I believe.


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 Post subject: Re: 100 Greatest Rock Artists (under revision)
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ClashWho wrote:
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In which critetion does The Who surpass Zeppelin?


Musical Impact
Cultural Impact
Influence

What have you smoked? I'm pretty sure no one will agree on The Who > Zeppelin.


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 Post subject: Re: 100 Greatest Rock Artists (under revision)
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I do, and others have as well.

Why do you think it's such a landslide victory for Zeppelin?


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 Post subject: Re: 100 Greatest Rock Artists (under revision)
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I do, and others have as well.

Please explain how.


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 Post subject: Re: 100 Greatest Rock Artists (under revision)
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Because The Who have influence extending past hard rock and metal.
They are also objectively the greater live band than Zeppelin.

They are very close by the criteria though.


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 Post subject: Re: 100 Greatest Rock Artists (under revision)
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Oh boy.


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 Post subject: Re: 100 Greatest Rock Artists (under revision)
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Negative Creep wrote:
Because The Who have influence extending past hard rock and metal.
They are also objectively the greater live band than Zeppelin.

They are very close by the criteria though.

Being a greater live band has nothing to do with the criteria. As for influence on hard rock and metal, I completely disagree -- Led Zeppelin was the progenitor of hard rock and metal along with Sabbath and Purple.


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 Post subject: Re: 100 Greatest Rock Artists (under revision)
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ZepHead wrote:
ClashWho wrote:
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In which critetion does The Who surpass Zeppelin?


Musical Impact
Cultural Impact
Influence

What have you smoked? I'm pretty sure no one will agree on The Who > Zeppelin.


Actually, the amount of agreement was high enough that The Who was moved ahead of Led Zeppelin. And Bruce is currently holding a tournament on artists most worthy of the Rock 'n' Roll Hall of Fame and The Who was voted in before Led Zeppelin.


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 Post subject: Re: 100 Greatest Rock Artists (under revision)
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ZepHead wrote:
Negative Creep wrote:
Because The Who have influence extending past hard rock and metal.
They are also objectively the greater live band than Zeppelin.

They are very close by the criteria though.
As for influence on hard rock and metal, I completely disagree -- Led Zeppelin was the progenitor of hard rock and metal along with Sabbath and Purple.


First, you didn't understand what Negative Creep was saying (which is that The Who's influence extends further beyond hard rock and heavy metal than Led Zeppelin's does). Second, Led Zeppelin is not a progenitor of hard rock. They didn't release anything until 1969. Hard rock was already thriving by then. The progenitors of hard rock are The Kinks, The Who, Cream, The Jimi Hendrix Experience, The Jefferson Airplane, Steppenwolf, and less successful/enduring artists such as The Sonics, Blue Cheer, The Amboy Dukes, and Iron Butterfly, among others. The groundbreaking efforts of those acts are a big part of why Led Zeppelin was such a huge success right out of the gate. The stage had been set.


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 Post subject: Re: 100 Greatest Rock Artists (under revision)
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It's almost tangible that Zeppelin wins in influence and popularity pretty easily, and I don't understand how The Who is more acclaimed by peers. Almost every goddamn musician from the 60's, 70's, and 80's praises Zeppelin to death.


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 Post subject: Re: 100 Greatest Rock Artists (under revision)
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Led Zeppelin has greater cultural impact than The Who I'd say.

ZepHead wrote:
It's almost tangible that Zeppelin wins in influence and popularity pretty easily, and I don't understand how The Who is more acclaimed by peers. Almost every goddamn musician from the 60's, 70's, and 80's praises Zeppelin to death.


Not Influence, Jimmy Page stole almost all of his songs


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 Post subject: Re: 100 Greatest Rock Artists (under revision)
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Stavros678 wrote:
Led Zeppelin has greater cultural impact than The Who I'd say.

ZepHead wrote:
It's almost tangible that Zeppelin wins in influence and popularity pretty easily, and I don't understand how The Who is more acclaimed by peers. Almost every goddamn musician from the 60's, 70's, and 80's praises Zeppelin to death.


Not Influence, Jimmy Page stole almost all of his songs

Firstly, taking an old blues song and consumatting it not stealing. Secondly, "influence of Led Zeppelin" means the band's influence on other bands and musicians.


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 Post subject: Re: 100 Greatest Rock Artists (under revision)
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Stavros678 wrote:

Not Influence, Jimmy Page stole almost all of his songs


No he didn't. :facepalm:


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 Post subject: Re: 100 Greatest Rock Artists (under revision)
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ZepHead wrote:
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Firstly, taking an old blues song and consumatting it not stealing.


The courts said it was on "You Need Love" aka "Whole Lotta Love." It's not just "consumating" when Page puts his own name on there as the writer with no mention of the original writer (Willie Dixon) of the song.

Besides, it wasn't that old of a song.






And "Dazed And Confused" was not an old blues song, it was done by Jake Holmes a couple of year before Zep stole it.



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 Post subject: Re: 100 Greatest Rock Artists (under revision)
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ZepHead wrote:
Stavros678 wrote:
Led Zeppelin has greater cultural impact than The Who I'd say.

ZepHead wrote:
It's almost tangible that Zeppelin wins in influence and popularity pretty easily, and I don't understand how The Who is more acclaimed by peers. Almost every goddamn musician from the 60's, 70's, and 80's praises Zeppelin to death.


Not Influence, Jimmy Page stole almost all of his songs

Firstly, taking an old blues song and consumatting it not stealing. Secondly, "influence of Led Zeppelin" means the band's influence on other bands and musicians.



Dazed and Confused, Stairway to Heaven, ect.


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