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 Post subject: Re: Rank The Hall Of Famers
PostPosted: Thu Jul 12, 2012 5:08 pm 
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Brett Alan wrote:
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Out of wedlock births in the black community went from less than 30% pre Great Society to todays figure which stands at 70%.


And they went up much more (500% increase) among whites from 1965 to 1990.

In 1965, 24 percent of black infants and 3.1 percent of white infants were born to single mothers. By 1990 the rates had risen to 64 percent for black infants, 18 percent for whites.

Society in general but the African American community is bearing a disproportionate amount of the problem. Unemployment among black youth today is about 40% compared to an already high 8% among the general population. And you don't think the rap and gang culture has anything to do with that?


I think you've got the causality reversed. Unemployment isn't high because gangs are popular; gangs are popular because unemployment is high. And, no, it's not the Great Society, either. It's the changes made starting with Reagan and continuing pretty much since then, with deregulation of business, power taken away from unions, and a tax code that increasingly favors the well-off. Along with other factors that are out of any politician's control, such as the outsourcing and elimination of jobs made possible by technology.

I mean, look, I'm sorry that there's such a gang problem in Chicago, but kids in New York City listen to rap, too, so that can't be the cause of the difference.

Not looking to debate or discuss politics not connected to music as this rap discussion has pretty much been. I believe that some rap has a very negative effect on society and you apparently don't. That's cool.


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 Post subject: Re: Rank The Hall Of Famers
PostPosted: Thu Jul 12, 2012 10:49 pm 
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Not looking to debate or discuss politics not connected to music as this rap discussion has pretty much been. I believe that some rap has a very negative effect on society and you apparently don't. That's cool.


Do you think that any white forms of rock have a negative effect on society, like Death Metal?


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 Post subject: Re: Rank The Hall Of Famers
PostPosted: Thu Jul 12, 2012 10:55 pm 
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Round 14 is closed. There were 6 ballots turned in this time. We have our 3 new members.

Here are the new members:

68 - Four Seasons - 30 (4)
69 - Cream - 22 (3)
70 - Van Halen - 21 (3)


THE REST (minimum 2 ballots)
Fleetwood Mac - 19 (3)
Joe Turner - 19 (2)
Ramones - 18 (3)
Yardbirds - 16 (2)
Paul McCartney - 14 (2)
Willie Dixon - 14 (2)
Wilson Pickett - 14 (2)
Ruth Brown - 13 (2)
Dion - 12 (2)
Aerrosmith - 8 (2)

28 other artists each had one mention.


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 Post subject: Re: Rank The Hall Of Famers
PostPosted: Thu Jul 12, 2012 10:59 pm 
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Here are the results up to this point:

MOST DESERVING HALL OF FAMERS

1 - Beatles
2 - Elvis Presley
3 - Chuck Berry

4 - Little Richard
5 - James Brown and the Famous Flames
6 - Bob Dylan
7 - Ray Charles
8 - Rolling Stones

9 - Beach Boys
10 - Aretha Franklin
11 - Stevie Wonder

12 - Bo Diddley
13 - Fats Domino
14 - The Who
15 - Buddy Holly and the Crickets
16 - Michael Jackson
17 - Sam Cooke

18 - Marvin Gaye
19 - Temptations
20 - Led Zeppelin
21 - Smokey Robinson and the Miracles
22 - Everly Brothers
23 - Jimi Hendrix Experience
24 - Louis Jordan

25 - Otis Redding
26 - Bruce Springsteen
27 - Jerry Lee Lewis
28 - Prince
29 - Madonna
30 - Run-D.M.C.
31 - Pink Floyd
32 - Supremes
33 - Drifters
34 - U2
35 - Muddy Waters
36 - Elton John
37 - Jackie Wilson
38 - Bill Haley and His Comets

39 - David Bowie
40 - Bob Marley
41 - Queen
42 - Roy Orbison
43 - Sly and the Family Stone
44 - Kinks
45 - Doors
46 - Byrds
47 - Neil Young
48 - Isley Brothers
49 - Howlin' Wolf
50 - Creedence Clearwater Revival
51 - Impressions
52 - Clyde McPhatter

53 - Simon & Garfunkel
54 - The Clash
55 - Black Sabbath
56 - Grateful Dead
57 - Carl Perkins
58 - R.E.M.
59 - Bee Gees
60 - Platters
61 - Four Tops

62 - Hank Williams
63 - B.B. King
64 - Eagles
65 - Shirelles
66 - Grand Master Flash and the Furious Five
67 - Parliament / Funkadelic
68 - Four Seasons
69 - Cream
70 - Van Halen


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 Post subject: Re: Rank The Hall Of Famers
PostPosted: Thu Jul 12, 2012 11:03 pm 
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Voting for round 15 is now open. Please list the ten most deserving artists (ranked in order) from the list below.

We are back on track and will be adding 5 new members this time.

DEADLINE FOR THIS ROUND IS THURSDAY JULY 19 AT MIDNIGHT EDT.

1987 Coasters
1987 Eddie Cochran
1987 Ricky Nelson
1987 Big Joe Turner
1989 Dion
1990 Hank Ballard and Midnighters
1990 Bobby Darin
1991 LaVern Baker
1991 John Lee Hooker
1991 Wilson Pickett
1991 Jimmy Reed
1991 Ike and Tina Turner
1992 Bobby "Blue" Bland
1992 Booker T. & the M.G.'s
1992 Johnny Cash
1992 Sam & Dave
1992 The Yardbirds
1993 Ruth Brown
1993 Frankie Lymon & The Teenagers
1993 Etta James
1993 Van Morrison
1994 The Animals
1994 The Band
1994 Duane Eddy
1994 John Lennon
1994 Rod Stewart
1995 Allman Brothers Band
1995 Al Green
1995 Janis Joplin
1995 Martha and the Vandellas
1995 Frank Zappa
1996 Gladys Knight & the Pips
1996 Jefferson Airplane
1996 Little Willie John
1996 Velvet Underground
1997 Buffalo Springfield
1997 Crosby, Stills & Nash
1997 The Jackson 5
1997 Joni Mitchell
1997 The Rascals
1998 Fleetwood Mac
1998 Mamas & The Papas
1998 Lloyd Price
1998 Santana
1998 Gene Vincent and Blue Caps
1999 Billy Joel
1999 Curtis Mayfield
1999 Paul McCartney
1999 Del Shannon
1999 Dusty Springfield
1999 The Staple Singers
2000 Eric Clapton
2000 Earth, Wind & Fire
2000 The Lovin' Spoonful
2000 The Moonglows
2000 Bonnie Raitt
2000 James Taylor
2001 Aerosmith
2001 Solomon Burke
2001 The Flamingos
2001 Paul Simon
2001 Steely Dan
2001 Ritchie Valens
2002 Isaac Hayes
2002 Brenda Lee
2002 Tom Petty and the Heartbreakers
2002 Gene Pitney
2002 Ramones
2002 Talking Heads
2003 AC/DC
2003 Elvis Costello & the Attractions
2003 The Police
2003 Righteous Brothers
2004 Jackson Browne
2004 The Dells
2004 George Harrison
2004 Bob Seger
2004 Traffic
2004 ZZ Top
2005 Buddy Guy
2005 The O'Jays
2005 Pretenders
2005 Percy Sledge
2006 Blondie
2006 Miles Davis
2006 Lynyrd Skynyrd
2006 Sex Pistols
2007 The Ronettes
2007 Patti Smith
2008 Dave Clark Five
2008 Leonard Cohen
2008 John Cougar Mellencamp
2008 The Ventures
2009 Jeff Beck
2009 Little Anthony & The Imperials
2009 Metallica
2009 Bobby Womack
2010 ABBA
2010 Genesis
2010 Jimmy Cliff
2010 The Hollies
2010 The Stooges
2011 Alice Cooper
2011 Neil Diamond
2011 Dr. John
2011 Darlene Love
2011 Tom Waits
2012 Beastie Boys
2012 Donovan
2012 Guns N' Roses
2012 Laura Nyro
2012 Red Hot Chili Peppers
2012 The Small Faces/The Faces

1986 Jimmie Rodgers
1986 Jimmy Yancey
1986 Robert Johnson
1987 T-Bone Walker
1988 Woody Guthrie
1988 Lead Belly
1988 Les Paul
1989 Ink Spots
1989 Bessie Smith
1989 Soul Stirrers
1990 Louis Armstrong
1990 Charlie Christian
1990 Ma Rainey
1992 Elmore James
1992 Professor Longhair
1993 Dinah Washington
1994 Willie Dixon
1995 Sonny Til and the Orioles
1996 Pete Seeger
1997 Mahalia Jackson
1997 Bill Monroe
1998 Jelly Roll Morton
1999 Bob Wills & His Texas Playboys
1999 Charles Brown
2000 Nat King Cole
2000 Billie Holiday
2009 Wanda Jackson
2012 Freddie King


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 Post subject: Re: Rank The Hall Of Famers
PostPosted: Thu Jul 12, 2012 11:09 pm 
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MY BALLOT FOR ROUND 15:

1 - Big Joe Turner
2 - Willie Dixon
3 - Yardbirds
4 - Dells
5 - CSN
6 - Wilson Pickett
7 - Dion
8 - Hank Ballard and the Midnighters
9 - Paul McCartney
10 - Ike & Tina Turner

Considering for the next round, in no particular order:

Les Paul, Eric Clapton, Charles Brown, Solomon Burke, Sonny Til and the Orioles, Coasters, Sam & Dave, T-Bone Walker, Ink Spots, Eddie Cochran, Al Green, Ramones, Animals, Abba, Johnny Cash, Ruth Brown, John Lennon, Rod Stewart, Gladys Knight and the Pips, Jackson 5, Lloyd Price, Bily Joel, Paul Simon, Frankie Lymon and the Teenagers. Robert Johnson,
Billie Holiday


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 Post subject: Re: Rank The Hall Of Famers
PostPosted: Thu Jul 12, 2012 11:13 pm 
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Bruce wrote:
StuBass wrote:
Not looking to debate or discuss politics not connected to music as this rap discussion has pretty much been. I believe that some rap has a very negative effect on society and you apparently don't. That's cool.


Do you think that any white forms of rock have a negative effect on society, like Death Metal?

Absolutely. Ted Nugent should shut the fuck up...and he's only a guy, not an entire genre. Lots of artists are happy to contribute to the long downhill slide of culture...so long as they get their fame, fortune, or the attention thbey seek...


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 Post subject: Re: Rank The Hall Of Famers
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Yea for Frankie Valli & The Four Seasons. Sorry I didn't speak up sooner guys... I do like The Dells to slip into the next group.


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 Post subject: Re: Rank The Hall Of Famers
PostPosted: Fri Jul 13, 2012 8:46 am 
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1. Les Paul
2. Lead Belly
3. Pete Seeger
4. The Yardbirds
5. Wilson Pickett
6. Johnny Cash
7. Curtis Mayfield
8. Ike & Tina Turner
9. Woody Guthrie
10. Ramones

Considered for this Ballot: Van Morrison, Allman Brothers Band, Gene Vincent and the Blue Caps, Booker T. & The MG's, The Animals, Frank Zappa, Paul McCartney, Janis Joplin, The Band, Steely Dan, Professor Longhair, Big Joe Turner, Velvet Underground, Eric Clapton, Tom Petty and the Heartbreaker, Robert Johnson, Willie Dixon, Hank Ballad and the Midnighters, Joni Mitchell


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 Post subject: Re: Rank The Hall Of Famers
PostPosted: Fri Jul 13, 2012 9:56 am 
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StuBass wrote:
Actually it was the unfortunate result of LBJ's "Great Society" program where the Federal Government became lots of peoples daddy and I...like many other young liberals supported. It served to tear apart the Black family structure which had been relatively stable to that point. Out of wedlock births in the black community went from less than 30% pre Great Society to todays figure which stands at 70%. The rap culture embraces and promotes those values and is very influential.


It certainly doesn't help.


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 Post subject: Re: Rank The Hall Of Famers
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1. Ruth Brown
2. Beastie Boys
3. Metallica
4. Big Joe Turner
5. Fleetwood Mac
6. Aerosmith
7. Rod Stewart
8. Joni Mitchell
9. Al Green
10. Van Morrison


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 Post subject: Re: Rank The Hall Of Famers
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1 - Martha & The Vandellas
2 - T-Bone Walker
3 - Ramones
4 - Ike & Tina Turner
5 - Aerosmith
6 - Willie Dixon
7 - Ruth Brown
8 - John Lee Hooker
9 - Metallica
10 - Eddie Cochran


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 Post subject: Re: Rank The Hall Of Famers
PostPosted: Fri Jul 13, 2012 8:20 pm 
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Only having three acts get in is kind of unsatisfying. :eh:

1 - Paul McCartney
2 - Fleetwood Mac
3 - Wilson Pickett
4 - Dion
5 - Lloyd Price
6 - Ramones
7 - John Lennon
8 - Louis Armstrong
9 - Billy Joel
10 - Leadbelly


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 Post subject: Re: Rank The Hall Of Famers
PostPosted: Fri Jul 13, 2012 8:43 pm 
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Brett Alan wrote:
Only having three acts get in is kind of unsatisfying. :eh:


A fluke due to last round's three way tie for the last spot. We're back on track for 5 now.


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 Post subject: Re: Rank The Hall Of Famers
PostPosted: Wed Jul 18, 2012 9:01 pm 
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This round closes Thursday at midnight eastern, Nothing from Stu yet.


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